A lot of the strings aren't really block strings as you noted and they could poke you or walk to avoid the flick before it gets out. Flick is till a great move but it's not the kind of ranged tool people expected it to be because when you know how it's actually pretty easy to dodge (many characters can walk fast enough to evade it). And for footsies I suspect Boneshaper may be better then necro or imp.
yeah it's his best tool IMO
any string canceled into flick isnt a true block string. i haven't tested it out but i know for sure that f22 xx flick, a lot of characters dont have fast enough moves to poke out of it, wouldn't be surprised if nobody can beat it out by frames. in that case, since there are no moves that are invincible off the ground, they are forced to spend bar and armor through a lot of the time. this however could be baited by doing f22 hellsparks and it will catch people trying to armor through because that is a true block string, and unlike street fighter 4, there is no auto block, so if they try punishing they get popped, however if you're wrong you're going to eat a lot of damage. it can also be done by kind of treating his f22 string like of like fei long rekkas and mix up when you do the flick in the string or where you end it. just keep in mind that f2 is -13 (according to the in game frame data) and f22 is -7 (in game frame data says its -8 but i tested it out and the in game data is wrong, like it is for a lot of things).
Isn't 312xxflick a true blockstring?
http://www.twitch.tv/cdjr02/v/4208600
actually you might be right but i haven't check it out yet good call
Pretty sure it is, since I spent like 2 hours trying to find something to make 312 worth a damn
Wait, what? I thought we agreed that f22 is -8 because it was safe from 7 frame or slower normals. Moves that are -13 can be punished by 12f or faster specials or 11f or faster normals because reversal specials don't have to go through the 1-frame animation of leaving blockstun.
man wtf why does it have to be so difficult. why can't frame data in mk be read the same as every other fighting game other than doa? its so confusing
Right, being a Rose main in USF4 it's a lot like using HP drill. Im really liking necro shinnok over boneshaper for footsies, since i feel that (while not perfectly safe) flick allows shinnok to be more aggressive during footsies.
i can see what you're saying. definitely an interesting approach to it cerainly has the upper hand in chip since flick does a lot of chip and is awesome to meaty flicks against characters that don't have armored moves that can pop you for doing them. an example would be after doing a hellsparks ender going for a meaty flick against someone like sub or reptile who have an EX slide to deal with something like that, so they'll take the damage and their slide would whiff.
sounds broken
Thank you for sharing the aforementioned tech above (need to try to do that walk kara techinique) and thanks to @Doombawkz for pointing out that 3,1,2 xx Flick is safe along with @xSMoKEx pointing out that 3 and 3,1 are also safe.
Too soon, but most of them would be losing anyways
Depends on the spec, Bone shaper can't reach it. Imposter should be able to teleport n.j.p them off of an AA HS.
well its gonna be balls deep. it works but you're going to get murked if you're wrong. id only do it if they've shown that they will armor through, until then just flick away. also should catch backdash.
we should probably explore more matchups in general. so far i dont have any strong opinions on how matchups play out because i have limited experience vs people and i've only played against a handful of characters a few times
Was it streamed???!
8 on the break is the longest running weekly series in fighting games. its streamed on 8wayrun.tv usually but lately kombatnetwork has been streaming it because jaxel is at da beech