Guide Shazam BnB combo thread Oct 2013

[Ermaculate_Slim]

zoofs I tried it out........and its only 40%

 

[zoofs]

zoofs I tried it out........and its only 40%

j2 f22 (reset) hm mb, b3, j3, f223 hm/ac? its an inescapable reset, the j2 f22 does 12% then the hm mb combo does 40% = 52%

 

[imblackjames]

Unless I'm blind i didn't see any combos for if you win an air to air. All these are if you win with a j2.

F12, hm mb, b3, j2, 2, ac 38%

1,2, hm mb, b3, j2, 2, ac 39%

3, hm mb, b3, j2, 2, ac 42%

 

[MashPotatoTower]

Unless I'm blind i didn't see any combos for if you win an air to air. All these are if you win with a j2.
F12, hm mb, b3, j2, 2, ac 38%

I might update the guide later this week. so much left to add

 

[Cage Redfield]

Here's a corner combo starting with B23 for a bar and no trait

notation is: B23, 3 xx HM MB, dash, 112, 112 xx AC.

Nearly 40% and leads into the AC corner setup.


If this combo was found already, sorry for wasting everyone's time~

 

[MashPotatoTower]

im not gonna update this combo thread. Someone else can take up the mantle and make a new thread.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

im not gonna update this combo thread. Someone else can take up the mantle and make a new thread.

Fraud.

 

[MashPotatoTower]

Fraud.

yep

 

[PunkMafia83]

Just gona say thanks for all information, this is super helpful stuff.

 

[THTB]

So, unless this was actually a well-kept hidden secret, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that, though strict on timing, Shazam gets guaranteed HM after f1, d1, and 2 on hit. Now, the timing is tight, but let's say someone practices this enough to get this like 90-100% of the time (it really is possible get it consistently IMO...HM has to be active for like 2 frames, because it feels much easier than a 1f link). With this in mind, this would up Shazam's standard damage off of these normals dramatically were they to become standard punish BnBs. Hell, f1 has long enough range to use this in footsies sorta (recovery is pretty decent too).

Opinions? Or am I uber late? I haven't seen any Shazam discussions as of late. @EGP Wonder_Chef @Cossner

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

So, unless this was actually a well-kept hidden secret, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that, though strict on timing, Shazam gets guaranteed HM after f1, d1, and 2 on hit. Now, the timing is tight, but let's say someone practices this enough to get this like 90-100% of the time (it really is possible get it consistently IMO...HM has to be active for like 2 frames, because it feels much easier than a 1f link). With this in mind, this would up Shazam's standard damage off of these normals dramatically were they to become standard punish BnBs. Hell, f1 has long enough range to use this in footsies sorta (recovery is pretty decent too).

Opinions? Or am I uber late? I haven't seen any Shazam discussions as of late. @EGP Wonder_Chef @Cossner

Feels harder than any 1 frame link from street fighter.

Considering you get full punished if you miss this, I don't think it's consistent enough.

 

[THTB]

Feels harder than any 1 frame link from street fighter.

Considering you get full punished if you miss this, I don't think it's consistent enough.

Depends on what Street Fighter you're referring to. If SF4, then bitch plz those are just arbitrary 2-3f links. Not to mention, from what I understand, games like GG have 1f stuff used regularly, plus VF's Akira has a vital launcher that requires a 1f press-and-release of a button to perform. I mean, this is difficult, but damn is it worthwhile if someone gets this down.

I was practicing this a little bit, and I started to get into a decent enough groove, and I feel like I'm at the point where f1, HM is consistent enough for practice matches.

 

[imblackjames]

Idk if this is known but you can do:

b23, d2, trait, d1, HmMb, b3, j2, 2, AC

For a 33% combo its tough timing after the d2 but it ends in a HKD and you have trait if you don't mb the hm it does like 24%

Another combo is

B23, d2, b3, j2, f223, hm for 29% meterless

 

[shinobispectre]

Idk if this is known but you can do:

b23, d2, trait, d1, HmMb, b3, j2, 2, AC

For a 33% combo its tough timing after the d2 but it ends in a HKD and you have trait if you don't mb the hm it does like 24%

Another combo is

B23, d2, b3, j2, f223, hm for 29% meterless

Does the trait activation combos have a variation for the corner? I swear I saw one before but can't seem to find it. That second combo seems really fun I'm gonna try it out now.

 

[Sneak]

I think there is a trait combo thread that had these on them a while back

 

[shinobispectre]

So just messing around in training right now... This isn't really practically but f3 (j3, 3) HM mb f3. The parentheses I guess are what you could leave out. Even though I think HM and AC are still clashable... My point is the position after the f3 is really cool. Again not sure how practical but it looked neat

 

[CromeShazam]

Idk if this is known but you can do:

b23, d2, trait, d1, HmMb, b3, j2, 2, AC

For a 33% combo its tough timing after the d2 but it ends in a HKD and you have trait if you don't mb the hm it does like 24%

An Even better combo bnb is: B23, 3 xx HM, b3, J2, D3 *Trait*. Its a HKD setup that leaves you with trait and allows you to do which ever OKI setup you want to do next with shazam

 

[SZSR]

Why doesn't d1 combo into background bounce?

Aqua's d1 has less hit advantage that ours and it combos very easily.

 

[Shaazzyam]

So, unless this was actually a well-kept hidden secret, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that, though strict on timing, Shazam gets guaranteed HM after f1, d1, and 2 on hit. Now, the timing is tight, but let's say someone practices this enough to get this like 90-100% of the time (it really is possible get it consistently IMO...HM has to be active for like 2 frames, because it feels much easier than a 1f link). With this in mind, this would up Shazam's standard damage off of these normals dramatically were they to become standard punish BnBs. Hell, f1 has long enough range to use this in footsies sorta (recovery is pretty decent too).

Opinions? Or am I uber late? I haven't seen any Shazam discussions as of late. @EGP Wonder_Chef @Cossner

I love d1 into command grab cancel. That's where it's at. Didn't know about F1, tho. Thanks!

 

[THTB]

Why doesn't d1 combo into background bounce?

Aqua's d1 has less hit advantage that ours and it combos very easily.

Might be less actual hitstun. Or a bug.

 

[SZSR]

Might be less actual hitstun. Or a bug.

What is hit stun vs hit advantage?

 

[THTB]

What is hit stun vs hit advantage?

Hitstun is the amount of recovery you have when you are hit.

Hit advantage is simply how much frame advantage you have due to the hitstun and your own recovery.

 

[SZSR]

Hitstun is the amount of recovery you have when you are hit.

Hit advantage is simply how much frame advantage you have due to the hitstun and your own recovery.

Well I set the CPU Shazam to d1xxwall bounce and am able to block or duck the interactable bounce with complete ease (d1 on hit).

Well, just pulling up the Shazam's d1 data right now: Hit adv = 13, Recovery Frames = 15

Aqua's d1 Hit Adv = 7, Recovery Frames = 20

I really don't know anything about frames so anything you can get from this is good for me.

 

[THTB]

Well I set the CPU Shazam to d1xxwall bounce and am able to block or duck the interactable bounce with complete ease (d1 on hit).

Well, just pulling up the Shazam's d1 data right now: Hit adv = 13, Recovery Frames = 15

Aqua's d1 Hit Adv = 7, Recovery Frames = 20

I really don't know anything about frames so anything you can get from this is good for me.

Actually, judging from this, Shazam's d1 should work. If my math is right, Aquaman's hitstun on his d1 is still less than Shazam's by a frame. It's likely a bug.

 

[shinobispectre]

Well I set the CPU Shazam to d1xxwall bounce and am able to block or duck the interactable bounce with complete ease (d1 on hit).

Well, just pulling up the Shazam's d1 data right now: Hit adv = 13, Recovery Frames = 15

Aqua's d1 Hit Adv = 7, Recovery Frames = 20

I really don't know anything about frames so anything you can get from this is good for me.

Silly question... But are there possible different startups for the background bounces? I know the animation is the same...