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rafaw

rafaw

#YouSuck
@GGA Dizzy, can you test how much the startup of lvl2 shadow flip is? could be a good frame trap after f3rcf3rcf3xxlvl2flipkick, its safe on block too.
 
Derptile

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
C88 Zombieekiler said:
11 and 12 start high :p
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WHY WOULD YOU BLOCK LOW AGAINST CAGE

Play with a Cage that plays like a complete asshole and you will want to cry, he will essentially force you to block high and eat chip for days.

Also IDK what that guy is on about, I've played with both of them and they both have pretty garbo Jump attacks. No real point in comparing who has better one since you shouldn't be jumping with either character.
 
C88 Zombieekiler

C88 Zombieekiler

Up and coming sub zero
Derptile said:
WHY WOULD YOU BLOCK LOW AGAINST CAGE

Play with a Cage that plays like a complete asshole and you will want to cry, he will essentially force you to block high and eat chip for days.

Also IDK what that guy is on about, I've played with both of them and they both have pretty garbo Jump attacks. No real point in comparing who has better one since you shouldn't be jumping with either character.
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Yeah and ive played good cages dw :p you can armour after forceballs you gotta remember that.
 
Dizzy

Dizzy

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rafaw said:
@GGA Dizzy, can you test how much the startup of lvl2 shadow flip is? could be a good frame trap after f3rcf3rcf3xxlvl2flipkick, its safe on block too.
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I'll see about getting around to it, but why level 2 specifically? Only because it's safe?
 
SylverRye

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
GGA Dizzy said:
As much as I enjoy reading about people downplaying their characters and debating who is worse, please stop shitting in the frame data thread. Scientists are attempting to work in here. :p
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Explaining isn't down playing though. Its just like you stepping into a raiden thread and seeing someone explain something to another person and they have no clue they were saying. But as ive said, not trying to derail the thread. Carry on guys
 
Dizzy

Dizzy

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12 string can cleanly break 11f startup armor if perfectly timed in neutral. If the opponent is performing a reversal out of block or performing a wakeup attack, it can cleanly break 12f armor at best.

There is possibly a few example of the opponents armor move not applying to this rule, if they crouch down during the animation at some point causing attacks to whiff for example. So be sure to test it yourself, if you are curious about a specific armor move.
 
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DevilMaySpy

DevilMaySpy

Mama's Little Bumgorf
C88 Zombieekiler

C88 Zombieekiler

Up and coming sub zero
B

brizzle

MKKI
Derptile said:
1) Cage has frame advantage off normals without SKRCs

2) Cage has an Armored launcher

3) Cage has a much better neutral game thanks to F3 SKRC

4) Cage can end every combo with nutpunch and continue his pressure game.

5) Against Liu Kang you block low and you're safe from most of his options. Against Cage you block low and you'll get opened up by f2, block high and he gets to assault you with his SKRCs to the fullest.

6) Liu Kang has plenty of whiff problems

7)Both characters have absolutely garbage Air attacks due to their ground game being so strong.

I'm not saying A-list Cage is better than Dragon's Fire Liu Kang because he isn't, but A-List has plenty of his own strengths which make him a great character.

Dragon's Fire Roo Kang= S tier
A-List Cage= A+ tier
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Re standing after combos is all I need to pick johnny over lui. Anti wakeup game is huge. What do most Kung Laos do when they can't wake up spin? They lose

EDIT just saw people were not wanting the thread to talk about cage vs kang, my bad
 
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Derptile

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
Hollywood DMS said:
Stop derailing this thread to promote yours. Stay on topic. I don't know why the hell Liu Kang is being discussed in Cage's frame data thread, but take it somewhere else.
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Can't you move the posts to the Johnny Cage general discussion thread? You are a mod after all.
 
Dizzy

Dizzy

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Ok, I think this is all the testing I'll do in regards to armor breaking properties of strings. Here is the final info:

This is for a clean armor break (no trade) when done absolutely perfectly, meaning the first hit of the string connects immediately when start up ends:

12 = breaks 11f armored specials
11 = breaks 14f armored specials
f24 = breaks 20f armored specials

+1 frame for reversals

@smokey
 
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rafaw

rafaw

#YouSuck
So, now im just using the skrc on the moment it should come out and not dialing it like i used to do, its way easier to get almost perfect cancels.

Saturday i just tested this after np: 114skrc~B34skrc/B343~f24/d4
The mixup is: After 114skrc go for B343 or B34skrc D4/f24, if you do it right they have to block it all and guess right or get hit, mix some throws as you allways should. Once you get it consistently they will respect the B34 and fear the possible overhead of B343, thats the mix up bc after you skrc B34 you almost allways get a free D4 or 11/12. If they are blocking low after the B34skrc you can B343 or B34skrc~F2, you change the timing of the overhead and its all guaranted.
 
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Death

Noob
Are you sure after F2SKRC is +15? I have a hard time hitting 11 after it? Seems really tight
 
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kelevra

kelevra

Steel cable bungee jumper
Death said:
Jail on block. Trying it out but seems very tight vs Cassies EX flip kick. Shouldnt I have at least a 5f window?
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Sounds stupid but 5f aint that much considering how many inputs you have to get out in that time.
It sure does jail i can ensure you that, just take practice.
 
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Death

Noob
kelevra said:
Sounds stupid but 5f aint that much considering how many inputs you have to get out in that time.
It sure does jail i can ensure you that, just take practice.
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True. It is my first day trying them lol. But seems extremely tight. Dont know how people will get the F2 to jail like xara said. I feel like standing 1 hit box isnt that great and whiffs a lot.
 
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