General/Other - Ronin Ronin General Discussion Thread

[KHTC Takgillo]

alright, but its one of those gimmicky things that might work once? xD

yes it might work If the opponent doesn t know and a lot of guys don t know

 

[omooba]

Who do you use and against which variation do you have problems

i think my main is currently d'vorah but i can switch if it's a shitty match up. main problem is shirai ryu but ronnin is a problem to. it's just hard figuring out when it's my turn especially against shirai ryu. after a kunai there's jump buck slip kick, there's d3 there's f1, there's njp. i just need more practice so i can get a feel of what option to get for

 

[hayatei]

question, i've seen hayatei do b2~sword toss on block.....why? isnt that really unsafe?

what are the plus frames off the last and 2nd to last hit of f12 2+4? their different for each hit correct?

because b212+4 whiffs on jumps and and whiffs at max b2 range, so i use it for long range footsies/spacing/whiff punishing and to anti air. on block at max range you are safe and at a spacing to whiff punish with blade call or walk back into f2/f1 (etc)

it's also still a mix up with blade call so even if you are unsafe there's that, up close. also it's not really react-able. there's many uses and possible applications to it! try it out!

 

[Invincible Salads]

because b212+4 whiffs on jumps and and whiffs at max b2 range, so i use it for long range footsies/spacing/whiff punishing and to anti air. on block at max range you are safe and at a spacing to whiff punish with blade call or walk back into f2/f1 (etc)

it's also still a mix up with blade call so even if you are unsafe there's that, up close. also it's not really react-able. there's many uses and possible applications to it! try it out!

whats not reactable? the b2 into blade toss? and how is it a mixup with bladecall?

 

[hayatei]

whats not reactable? the b2 into blade toss? and how is it a mixup with bladecall?

whether you call the blade or not is always a mix up.

and its really hard to react to b2 blade drop or fullstring

 

[Invincible Salads]

whether you call the blade or not is always a mix up.

and its really hard to react to b2 blade drop or fullstring

by blade call you mean the move where you activate the blade instead of just returning it right? sorry im not familiar with the proper names for all of ronins moves.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

by blade call you mean the move where you activate the blade instead of just returning it right? sorry im not familiar with the proper names for all of ronins moves.

I think he's talking about b21 and b2 blade drop blade call saying that most people won t react to the blade drop and still block overhead instead of low or go for a punish

 

[Invincible Salads]

I think he's talking about b21 and b2 blade drop blade call saying that most people won t react to the blade drop and still block overhead instead of low or go for a punish

ah, so he's saying he can get a hit off of the low blade call because people arent paying attention?

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

ah, so he's saying he can get a hit off of the low blade call because people arent paying attention?

From what I understand but it seems risky IMO

 

[Invincible Salads]

From what I understand but it seems risky IMO

yea, it is, and imo if your gonna go for it, do the ex one, at least u get a combo. But i guess i get what he's saying, if they know ronin, they might be too scared too move anyways because of a potential ex bladecall, so they'll keep blocking giving you a chance to start your f12 2+4 pressure.

 

[Vick]

From what I understand but it seems risky IMO

The mind game is real.

 

[Darkling]

The Ronin guide out there is said to be outdated so any of you guys can tell me what is the frame of these strings: B212+4 blade drop, b3 blade drop, f122+4 first hit second hit quick call(is f12+4 quick call has the same frame?)

 

[Nexallus]

If nothing has changed about Ronin, meterless blade kall can launch in the air after certain blockstrings.

Other than little consistency reasons, I don't know why people keep suggesting Ex blade kall when regular blade kall can do the same most of the time.

 

[Mahjunia]

Same as @Darkling said, can anyone post all the framedata of blade drops and calls? Cheers.

 

[hayatei]

after hours of labbing/grinding non stop since the patch i've come to the conclusion that this variation is takeda's worst one and is around low-mid tier

too many losing match ups, he's only able to play 1 gameplan and if it doesn't work in the match up he straight up slowly loses

quick calls are overnerfed and you are left trying to play a defensive footsies gameplan. his zoning/counterzoning/overall neutral game isn't good enough to win that way at the highest lvl.

this version of ronin is weaker than before takeda got 8238382 buffs post evo 2015.

i think at this point it's smarter for me to just main shirai/lasher or a new character if i want to keep competing

 

[Tweedy]

after hours of labbing/grinding non stop since the patch i've come to the conclusion that this variation is takeda's worst one and is around low-mid tier

too many losing match ups, he's only able to play 1 gameplan and if it doesn't work in the match up he straight up slowly loses

quick calls are overnerfed and you are left trying to play a defensive footsies gameplan. his zoning/counterzoning/overall neutral game isn't good enough to win that way at the highest lvl.

this version of ronin is weaker than before takeda got 8238382 buffs post evo 2015.

i think at this point it's smarter for me to just main shirai/lasher or a new character if i want to keep competing

What do you mean if?

I'm getting out of pools at NEC and we're running it back.

Master of Storms son.

 

[hayatei]

What do you mean if?

I'm getting out of pools at NEC and we're running it back.

Master of Storms son.

if as in keep placing fam

i got some ideas on who im picking up :^)

 

[RyuuJin882]

after hours of labbing/grinding non stop since the patch i've come to the conclusion that this variation is takeda's worst one and is around low-mid tier

too many losing match ups, he's only able to play 1 gameplan and if it doesn't work in the match up he straight up slowly loses

quick calls are overnerfed and you are left trying to play a defensive footsies gameplan. his zoning/counterzoning/overall neutral game isn't good enough to win that way at the highest lvl.

this version of ronin is weaker than before takeda got 8238382 buffs post evo 2015.

i think at this point it's smarter for me to just main shirai/lasher or a new character if i want to keep competing

Thank you for this insight. Questions...

1) How do you think quick calls are overnerfed? Is it because the defensive footsie game plan does not fit mkx meta?

2) what do you think is the Ronin mu vs all of Quan chi's variation?

 

[hayatei]

Thank you for this insight. Questions...

1) How do you think quick calls are overnerfed? Is it because the defensive footsie game plan does not fit mkx meta?

2) what do you think is the Ronin mu vs all of Quan chi's variation?

it's not that it doesn't fit the meta, it's just not good enough with him, so what gameplan is left with him? you are not rushing down anyone with his current frames. you can bait unexperienced players to death over and over, but it wont work against top level players or people who know the match up.

loses to summoner/sorcerer but even with warlock imo

 

[DOCK]

i agree with Hayatei, ronin is worst Takeda's variation now, maybe mid or mod-low

 

[Invincible Salads]

what are the frame on all his call backs now?

 

[hayatei]

what are the frame on all his call backs now?

everything - except f1224 and 33 which are +1

 

[Invincible Salads]

everything - except f1224 and 33 which are +1

eww, thats horrible, are they at least good for mindgames? also, are you talking the last hit of f122+4 or the hit just before the overhead?

 

[RyuuJin882]

And Hayatei sill places with Ronin. Amazing. Good stuff @hayatei

 

[Tweedy]

Hayatei doesn't think Ronin is mid tier. He just trolls online.