Haha, he sent me a message yesterday after we played saying she doesn't beat Aquaman. It is really slight advantage imo. We discussed it above at some length. Hopefully see you tonight if you are heading to Manny's.
Honestly, I have had this MU as 6-4 before the trait cancel leading to 50-50's went away, then back to 5-5 until I changed it today. I always planned to change it after the patch with the d2 buffs because I thought that had an impact on the MU...but never did ended up doing it. Long story short I have been changing it back and forth between 5-5 and 6-4 for a while, and I really wouldn't argue either side.
I think AK Pig Of The Hut has a point. This match could be in Zod's favor in the foreseeable future.
I honestly don't think our set really impacted the way I look at the MU. I try to just look at the character tools and focus less on how we were playing unless I picked up on something that AM may have used that I hadn't thought about before. Plus it was online and you know how that goes. I don't put much weight into that since online always has an impact on gameplay.
I probably won't agree because I don't know the MU so I will be learning it. I don't base MU's on how bad I get bodied. I am in no way arguing the Zod MU one way or the other.
I totally understand what you are saying. I have been asked to provide MU charts for KF for like every single stage....I am simply not going to do that because it is a waste of time. I am leaving the MU chart out there as a base. I agree with you that AM could be 5-5 (like I said I have flip flopped a bunch so don't read into it). It is on our community to level up on other stages to keep MU numbers consistent IMO. I feel that with the recent stage nerfs and MB bounce cancel buffs we should be able to handle all stages in the game.
TBH, I should have won the last game of the FT5 IMO to make it 4-4. That was a total choke, but choking still counts as a loss so I have to hold that. I didn't feel like being on that stage was a disadvantage, but that is my opinion I guess. I really enjoyed that set though.
Send me all of your Xbox's
When are you getting XBL?
I can oblige. Also, disregard our last encounter. And I am very confident it is 5-5 btw...
What do you do against KF's meterless vortex normally? Every WW player I have ever played gets really really like really badly abused by it on knockdown. Once you bait that lasso launcher and whiff punish it with slide I feel like it is a really crappy mind-game for WW.
Explain how he now beats her.
I've always had it as a bad MU for her but I think the nerfs change things a bit and make it closer to even. Her parry is still just as good as it has always been, she has solid punish options now and 50-50's on blocked dive kick, and the nerfs to lightning is a pretty important change that opens things up a lot more for Frost in this MU now since that hurts his ability to check her full screen and prolong his runaway. Do you not think the MU has changed much?
For any player that baits the lasso spin wakeup by walking away, they open themselves up to her lasso grab which leaves her +14.
Is lasso grab not crouchable. WW has no wakeup game
Does KF need to get in in this MU though? I play it pretty defensively and have her chase me/punish mistakes. KF can't jump after a blocked slide before getting d3'd? I will be honest I haven't played this MU a lot, but I have never struggled in it and I have played maybe not the highest level WW's but definitely ones that are good with her and know the character.
Sorry, but if you say WW has no wakeup game you have no idea lol, she has the exact same wakeup game as KL in MK9, which was one of the best wakeup games of that game. Yes the grab is duckable.
There is at least one MU where the Batcave backfires with regards to Killer Frost BIG TIME, and it's a non power character.
