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THTB

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
m2dave said:
THTB, how reliable is f+2 as a dive kick punish? What do you afterwards?
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f2 is 15f, so with divekick being -21 at the lowest point it's pretty reliable. You can do your standard 122 punish as a combo.
 
Somberness

Somberness

Lights
I think the lowest I got for the dive kick was -17, but it also had great push back. Maybe even a little more distance than where the characters are in the starting position. And when ring toss is crouched from full screen, you'd have to input your attack the moment the ring won't hit you when you stand to even be at neutral. It is not advantage if you crouch it, is what I am trying to say.
 
THTB

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Somberness said:
I think the lowest I got for the dive kick was -17, but it also had great push back. Maybe even a little more distance than where the characters are in the starting position. And when ring toss is crouched from full screen, you'd have to input your attack the moment the ring won't hit you when you stand to even be at neutral. It is not advantage if you crouch it, is what I am trying to say.
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Yeah from full screen it kills but any closer and it's not so dangerous.

-17? Yeah tight but possible.
 
Salad Petresky

Salad Petresky

Kombatant
I just saw Tom brady vs ts Sabin and I was just wondering if this match up is actually wrong and its actually more than 6-4 or 5-5 reptile favor. I honestly have never seen a sub beats reptile after devastation. Just now, Ts Sabin beat brady 5-0 at mlg, chris g had done the same many times and so did showtime. This match might be harder for sub than we think?
 
dribirut

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
Salad Petresky said:
I just saw Tom brady vs ts Sabin and I was just wondering if this match up is actually wrong and its actually more than 6-4 or 5-5 reptile favor. I honestly have never seen a sub beats reptile after devastation. Just now, Ts Sabin beat brady 5-0 at mlg, chris g had done the same many times and so did showtime. This match might be harder for sub than we think?
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tom brady played that matchup sooo horribly wrong... in my opinion its in subs favor
 
Temjiin

Temjiin

www.mkxframedata.com
Salad Petresky said:
I just saw Tom brady vs ts Sabin and I was just wondering if this match up is actually wrong and its actually more than 6-4 or 5-5 reptile favor. I honestly have never seen a sub beats reptile after devastation. Just now, Ts Sabin beat brady 5-0 at mlg, chris g had done the same many times and so did showtime. This match might be harder for sub than we think?
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Have a quick look at my tips v Sub post. Not gonna give you an autowin but will help.

Also, Sonya is bad. Real bad. But aside from her I don't think he goes much worse than even v the rest of the cast. Possibly Cage as a (slightly) bad MU too. Kenshi is 5-5.

Reptile has hardly any bad MUs which in my opinion puts him at roughly 7th or 8th. There is pretty much no situation he can't adapt to in a game, I love this character so much.
 
Briggs8417

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
Temjiin said:
Have a quick look at my tips v Sub post. Not gonna give you an autowin but will help.

Also, Sonya is bad. Real bad. But aside from her I don't think he goes much worse than even v the rest of the cast. Possibly Cage as a (slightly) bad MU too. Kenshi is 5-5.

Reptile has hardly any bad MUs which in my opinion puts him at roughly 7th or 8th. There is pretty much no situation he can't adapt to in a game, I love this character so much.
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Yeah dude I honestly have no idea how cage seemed to get so rough to play out of nowhere for me but he has lol.
 
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Death

Warrior
RapZiLLa54 said:
I agree, although I'm digging the fact you can't reset me into MS if I'm sub zero. :)
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What do you mean? I dont think you can ice clone MS F+1 at the end of combos. I think you mean in block strings ending in MS you can clone me. I strongly believe that sub isnt the best counter pick with Sonya. Sonya wins that MU i think. I think the Sonya player just has to be patient and play Sub-zeros game. I think she can play Subs game better than Sub can. The match is all about meter and Sonya needs meter in this MU badly.
 
RapZiLLa54

RapZiLLa54

Monster Island Tournaments
I'm about 90% positive when you do the reset into MS, I can clone before you get the f+1. Clone comes out in 2 frames. Dark_Rob can you confirm???
 
RTM2004

RTM2004

Revenant Jade
THTB said:
I'm saying this right now, she's extremely linear. I never said her options weren't good, the problem is is that while they are very good, they are simply the tools that you need to watch out for the most. This helps me out because it narrows down what I need to focus on, and that's huge. Granted it is very much enough to do a lot with, but it doesn't excuse that this results in holes in her game that Reptile CAN very much exploit. Like I said, what is your answer to shit like d4 xx acid hand on block at max range? d4 or divekick and hope for the best. What buttons besides divekick and EX cartwheel do you have outside of d4 range? I can f2 at that range, EX forceball or dash your limbs, EX dash and if you don't divekick my shit, I'm at advantage. You can't just come up and try to d4, because I can very easily smack you with b4 and it wins EVERY time (Yes, it's risky). What that does is knocks you back, and my wakeup game comes into play. This can simply force hesitance on you doing d4.

There's a lot more to this matchup than just divekick > all for damage. I'm not completely neutered and you still have to play your shit right at times, because Reptile still has answers. 4-6 in your favor is most likely, but 5-5 wouldn't surprise me much further down the road.
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I seriously don't believe Reptile vs Sonya will ever be 5-5. It's like she was designed by accident to counter every thing Reptile is built around sort of like Kenshi vs Jade match up in particular. Sonya has way too many advantages over Reptile. Up close Sonya literally shuts down every option he has. Reptile has the zoning advantage with Forceballs and Acid Spits if he has the lead but he has to respect her Pink Rings projectile on trades. F0xy Grampa is the only Sonya player I've seen in King of the Hill rooms that dominate this MU to the fullest, it's that bad and sometimes he ends up with Babalities with it. I can only imagine the window punishment on Reptile offline is so much more worse that this MU may possibly end up being 3-7, 4-6 at best and no way shape or form 5-5. Some things I've noticed he did in several counter attack advantages she has over Reptile.

Reptile's Elbow Dash - Sonya Dive Kick punish
Reptile's Ex Elbow Dash - Jump over block first hit then Dive Kick Reptile or crossover Jump Kick~Air Grab
Reptile's Slide/Ex Slide - Dive Kick
Reptile's Forceballs - Pink Rings on trade... then AA his Dash~jump in attempts, Arc Kick if timed right
Reptile's D4 - cross over Jump Kick~Air Grab, Jump Kick~D4~Cartwheel combo, Dive Kick
Reptile's pokes D1,D3 - Dive Kick
Reptile's Uppercut - Dive Kick
Reptile close offense - Dive Kick whiff punish, standing 1 offense with D1 AA opportunity
Reptile's Acid Hand/Forceball up close - Ex Cartwheel

The good thing is that Reptile can whiff punish her D4, standing 1, Dive Kick and Cartwheel with his Elbow Dash and Slide. I think outside the sweep range where Sonya can't reach him with her D4~MS/Dive Kick he has a chance but he needs to respect what she is capable of doing to him at that range as well. There is more risk for Reptile fighting Sonya than there is for her fighting him.
 
CitizenSnips

CitizenSnips

A seldom used crab named Lucky. AKA Citizen Snips.
[quote="RTM2004, post: 408080, member: 6997"It's like she was designed by accident to counter every thing Reptile is built around[/quote]

Lol.
 
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Death

Warrior
Dark_Rob said:
However I believe if she ends with MSF1 you can ex slide it. Costs meter, but ends the pressure.
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EX slide in block strings is right. 112 MS F+1 at the end of combos can never be interrupted. Not even x-ray or anything. In block strings however armor, xrays, KL spin can interrupt Sonya. But sonya can block from the MS to bait it and punish.
 
Salad Petresky

Salad Petresky

Kombatant
Temjiin said:
Have a quick look at my tips v Sub post. Not gonna give you an autowin but will help.

Also, Sonya is bad. Real bad. But aside from her I don't think he goes much worse than even v the rest of the cast. Possibly Cage as a (slightly) bad MU too. Kenshi is 5-5.

Reptile has hardly any bad MUs which in my opinion puts him at roughly 7th or 8th. There is pretty much no situation he can't adapt to in a game, I love this character so much.
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I saw, its a great guide however I kinda knew those options already. I was just wondering that it might be possible that reptile beats sub really if reptile player plays the sub patient game.
 
Salad Petresky

Salad Petresky

Kombatant
HEY GUYS, remember when mileena was a hot topic of "she counters everything reptile does"? I think everyone should cool down and look at the situation here. Dive kick can be punish with f2 fb after block, reptile can still force sonya's mistakes with fb since she has the only option to block, ex kart, dive kick, and jump over which are all pretty unsafe options. You can also duck a ring and bring out a fb, and since sonya doesnt have a good d3 you can punish all her d1 with dash.

I mean the tools are there.
 
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