Raiden Match Footage

[Mandolore1123]

Raijin VS V3 Joker. I think the player here plays this MU alright, but he does a lot of random unsafe moves (poke~DB4AMP, ) and hence eats a lot of punishes. He does alright anti-airing with S1 though since the Joker player is pretty jump-happy.

I play both characters but I've only played the MU once and lost. I don't think it's to bad for us. We can discharge punish a lot of his strings but we have to guess whether or not he lets boxing gloves rip (I'll have to test if BF2 jails from strings since iirc it's a high). If he does F14~BF2 at close range we can still punish so there's that. Unfortunately he out-damages us and F14 and F21 are harder (-ish??) to whiff punish but we have F11 and B12. In the corner Joker is only 0 on advantage so I think wake up buttons is an option we cannot ignore. I think utilising D4 in the neutral to stuff his F2 attempts is important as it sets up our F4 as well, and we can easily trip guard his JI1. From full screen I think he holds slight advantage since all his projectiles knock down and he can set up massive plus frames off BF4 AMP (bouncing jack in the box), but it's not that we can't contest.

EDIT: we can also BF3 UNDER Joker's BF1 projectile. Flying out of the corner is also a viable option for us to escape pressure. This guy also has superb conversions off of his F3s and F2s. Throw techs are on point as well.

 

[Nevan_PTF]

So far all the Jokers I played against are V1 so it's just playing it lame, bf3 to punish his low projectile and getting quick charge active is a must.

He is annoying to fight against and can easily put into a disadvantage due to his damage.

 

[Mandolore1123]

So far all the Jokers I played against are V1 so it's just playing it lame, bf3 to punish his low projectile and getting quick charge active is a must.

He is annoying to fight against and can easily put into a disadvantage due to his damage.

I think V1 isn’t too hard to deal with. We both out damage him and can still contest full screen with DB4. Will need to play more though.

 

[Nevan_PTF]

Same!

People don't expect how fast DB4, with QC, travels haha

 

[Mandolore1123]

TW VS the spins
Dalphanate is back. I'd still prefer Raijin but I see the allure of teleport to get around air saw. I don't think we trade favourably with that move if we do summon lightning. However I've been doing fine with Raijin so far. Discharge deals with Kabal's staggers pretty well and they have to respect it after every string, opening up further options (poke, mid) to challenge and start our own pressure. Since none of Kabal's mids move him forward I think we can whiff punish him fairly easily with our good back walk speed. We also match Kabal's damage output (less so in TW due to the jump kick nerf).

 

[Mandolore1123]

TW VS V1 Joker
A close set for sure. Nice to see more Raiden from PI.

 

[Nevan_PTF]

TW VS the spins
Dalphanate is back. I'd still prefer Raijin but I see the allure of teleport to get around air saw. I don't think we trade favourably with that move if we do summon lightning. However I've been doing fine with Raijin so far. Discharge deals with Kabal's staggers pretty well and they have to respect it after every string, opening up further options (poke, mid) to challenge and start our own pressure. Since none of Kabal's mids move him forward I think we can whiff punish him fairly easily with our good back walk speed. We also match Kabal's damage output (less so in TW due to the jump kick nerf).

I agree with your take. Raijin does better than TW. Even if they whiff Air Saw you can tag them with DB2 and discharge is a must have, otherwise it's really hard to get out of his pressure.

 

[Black Chapters]

Watching Joker poke Raiden wit his cane and I'm like "it'd be cool if Raiden actually used his 7 foot frame or staff"

 

[MKF30]

Watching Joker poke Raiden wit his cane and I'm like "it'd be cool if Raiden actually used his 7 foot frame or staff"

I know right? Jokers cane has nutty range way better than raidens....joker is the Male jade with his d2 you have to be careful of jumping attacks

 

[Mandolore1123]

TW (Dalphanate) VS Spring Cleaning (Assodimaze)

 

[MKF30]

Have some newer matches vs a Joker player. Will upload shortly.

 

[kabelfritz]

Have some newer matches vs a Joker player. Will upload shortly.

tbh i think at least clown prince and madman are extremely good matchups for raijin, theres no other char on the cast that makes me think "free win" like joker when picked. i only lose to jokers when the player is way better than me. i dont even exactly know why that is, but i think its because joker actually has to play honest neutral to get in and gets outzoned by raijin.

 

[MKF30]

tbh i think at least clown prince and madman are extremely good matchups for raijin, theres no other char on the cast that makes me think "free win" like joker when picked. i only lose to jokers when the player is way better than me. i dont even exactly know why that is, but i think its because joker actually has to play honest neutral to get in and gets outzoned by raijin.

Yeah, I don't like Joker getting near me I treat him like Jax and Johnny lol. Though Cage is still dangerous with his zoning tools, Joker had them but not as fast as Cage's constant energy balls. Joker as soon as he goes into that crouch animation I teleport and punish. His smile or batsy poo whatever that move is called lol you can kind of see a mile away and be ducked easily so that helps. Haven't seen many Raijin gameplay vs Jokers, I would imagine that could be dangerous for Raiden if Joker gets far that forces Raiden to get in closer. I stick to TW vs him. I hate how Joker gets 2 launchers in one combo to me that's nonsense but that's a different story...lol

 

[Mandolore1123]

tbh i think at least clown prince and madman are extremely good matchups for raijin, theres no other char on the cast that makes me think "free win" like joker when picked. i only lose to jokers when the player is way better than me. i dont even exactly know why that is, but i think its because joker actually has to play honest neutral to get in and gets outzoned by raijin.

Joker’s best normals don’t reach after he blocks DF2 with buff on. He has to dash or walk up and they means he’s eating discharges and we can back dash to whiff punish easily. I think DB4 also ducks under his high gun projectile and also shuts down the low gun, making Clown Prince waste meter and effectively shuts down zoning. The F14 mix is a non-factor because it’s both fuzzyable and punishable on both options since F142 is -6. Raijin can actually sit back and play his game rather comfortably. Mad man is a harder MU because we have to deal with the push back from glove which often makes F4 whiff, and he outdamages Raijin severely, but it’s not that bad at all

 

[MKF30]

His glove combos are rather annoying, also anyone else think it's kind of messed up how he has 3 launchers in one combo where other characters get like one of they're lucky. I know KL can get a few spins. It's like they know joker sucked in the past 3 game he was in under NRS so they said oh make him OP in mk 11 lol

 

[kabelfritz]

Joker’s best normals don’t reach after he blocks DF2 with buff on. He has to dash or walk up and they means he’s eating discharges and we can back dash to whiff punish easily. I think DB4 also ducks under his high gun projectile and also shuts down the low gun, making Clown Prince waste meter and effectively shuts down zoning. The F14 mix is a non-factor because it’s both fuzzyable and punishable on both options since F142 is -6. Raijin can actually sit back and play his game rather comfortably. Mad man is a harder MU because we have to deal with the push back from glove which often makes F4 whiff, and he outdamages Raijin severely, but it’s not that bad at all

pretty much nailed it, even though its hard to make electric current go under his high shot. id rather duck and do it afterwards so he cant set up any zoning. also you can get the electric fly KB quite often against the batsy pew pew (low shots) as it goes over them.

Haven't seen many Raijin gameplay vs Jokers, I would imagine that could be dangerous for Raiden if Joker gets far that forces Raiden to get in closer.

not really, the jokers (maybe except ace of knaves) are actually some of the few characters that get outzoned by raijin.

 

[Nevan_PTF]

Yeah, I don't like Joker getting near me I treat him like Jax and Johnny lol. Though Cage is still dangerous with his zoning tools, Joker had them but not as fast as Cage's constant energy balls. Joker as soon as he goes into that crouch animation I teleport and punish. His smile or batsy poo whatever that move is called lol you can kind of see a mile away and be ducked easily so that helps. Haven't seen many Raijin gameplay vs Jokers, I would imagine that could be dangerous for Raiden if Joker gets far that forces Raiden to get in closer. I stick to TW vs him. I hate how Joker gets 2 launchers in one combo to me that's nonsense but that's a different story...lol

Raijin here and he doesn't cause much trouble in V1. Once you pop Quick Charge it changes the game, low shots aren't an issue and he just fed you with full Discharge. As Mandalore already said, his F142 or F14 BF2 isn't a true 50/50, so you can easily fuzzy it. Other than that, it's not a hard matchup, he has dial in strings, so you have wiff punish him if you are paying attention.

For V3 is just don't get hit.

V2 is a different story tho...A good Ace of Knaves will lock you into block for a while, as access to the BF2, Jack in the Box, Jumping Jester and his BF4 AMP will force you to block, since you can't jump over it or BF3 through it. This variation can be a nightmare, imho.

General tip: if Joker does a Fatal Blow Cancel he will go for the towards grab, since it activates the KB, if not used before ofc.

 

[Mandolore1123]

Raijin here and he doesn't cause much trouble in V1. Once you pop Quick Charge it changes the game, low shots aren't an issue and he just fed you with full Discharge. As Mandalore already said, his F142 or F14 BF2 isn't a true 50/50, so you can easily fuzzy it. Other than that, it's not a hard matchup, he has dial in strings, so you have wiff punish him if you are paying attention.

For V3 is just don't get hit.

V2 is a different story tho...A good Ace of Knaves will lock you into block for a while, as access to the BF2, Jack in the Box, Jumping Jester and his BF4 AMP will force you to block, since you can't jump over it or BF3 through it. This variation can be a nightmare, imho.

General tip: if Joker does a Fatal Blow Cancel he will go for the towards grab, since it activates the KB, if not used before ofc.

We can trade discharge AMP with his jack in the box setups. Pushes them too far away to combo us.

 

[Mandolore1123]

pretty much nailed it, even though its hard to make electric current go under his high shot. id rather duck and do it afterwards so he cant set up any zoning. also you can get the electric fly KB quite often against the batsy pew pew (low shots) as it goes over them.

We can fly underneath his BF1 for KB punish too

 

[Nevan_PTF]

We can trade discharge AMP with his jack in the box setups. Pushes them too far away to combo us.

That's a good bit of knowledge indeed. A chance to regain neutral and space.

 

[MKF30]

@nevanthays good to know, I tend to stick with two mostly so I go about the gameplan a bit differently vs joker but that's good that raisin has options vs him. Up close I can see it being anyone's game for sure.

 

[Mandolore1123]

Kombat goes Raijin VS Spare Change Kollector (at least for the first 2 games). A pretty good display of Raijin's pressure, and a good reference for the Kollector MU, flawless blocking 44, punishing the gaps between the charged mace making the KB a non-factor. From experience we can whiff punish his 44 if we time our F4 right but it's not easy.

 

[MKF30]

So with the Deoxys using Raiden(TW) vs Dragon(Cetrion) since his Jacqui was struggling, poor guy got flawlessed the first round and like 15% damage off Dragon the second round. Deoxys a solid player, but it also just shows why Raiden is just not that strong in this game especially against certain characters like Cetrion.

 

[kabelfritz]

So with the Deoxys using Raiden(TW) vs Dragon(Cetrion) since his Jacqui was struggling, poor guy got flawlessed the first round and like 15% damage off Dragon the second round. Deoxys a solid player, but it also just shows why Raiden is just not that strong in this game especially against certain characters like Cetrion.

to be fair, deoxys TW didnt get mopped much harder than his upgraded by dragon. and he got that butt ugly skin.

 

[Nevan_PTF]

That was a poor example imho Dragon was inside Deoxys head after the 1st set, so regardless of the character he picked, he cracked already.

He is deffo a good player, but he doesn't play Raiden as long as he has been playing Jacqui.

This was player vs player, rather than character vs character.

Dragon was in the zone, kid played hella solid, never seen him play like that before. Was so good to watch him play.