Patch Changes

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

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I disliked this... if I could.

Plus, he does have a parry. His Xray....

 

[Slymind]

Reptile was shit tier before the patch? ughhhh... LOL

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[evansgambit]

I disliked this... if I could.

Plus, he does have a parry. His Xray....

Yeah, just venting the frustration I feel at times. Your right on the call.

 

[jonman]

What's the frame data on f3,2 on hit? Still is good as a stand alone move IMHO.

Anyway, f3,3 hitconfirm into b,d1 is manageable, but nowhere near as good as f32nutpunch.

 

[Kedra]

JC's sweep ~ D+1 lockdown is gone in the latest patch.
Am I late?

 

[GNG Iniquity]

JC's sweep ~ D+1 lockdown is gone in the latest patch.

Yeah, wish they would've kept that, ah well. With the way wakeups are now, I don't particularly want to sweep anyone.

 

[leek]

Yeah, wish they would've kept that, ah well. With the way wakeups are now, I don't particularly want to sweep anyone.

ain't that the truth.

 

[Dizzy]

JC's sweep ~ D+1 lockdown is gone in the latest patch.
Am I late?

I noted that on the first page, but yeah lol.

They made the recovery significantly longer

 

[Somberness]

What's the frame data on f3,2 on hit? Still is good as a stand alone move IMHO.

Anyway, f3,3 hitconfirm into b,d1 is manageable, but nowhere near as good as f32nutpunch.

F3,2 is neutral, f3,3 is -2.

 

[Playpal]

F3,2 is neutral, f3,3 is -2.

You're talking about on block. His question was the frame data on hit.

 

[Somberness]

Oh ok, well, it's +7 on hit.
There you go, now you have both.

 

[Dizzy]

I don't know how you're doing it, but appreciated.

If you have time i'd be curious what 2, 1 is on block (incomplete string)

 

[Somberness]

I have to go to work right now but I'll see when I get back (10-11 hours).

 

[Somberness]

2,1 is 0.

 

[Wildabeast]

You know its not even the nerfs he got, nor the buffs to characters like Reptile and Sub that hurt Johnny Cage the most in this patch. It's the fucking change to the dashing.

 

[Shadowfire]

I've gotta say I'm not really feeling the dash change as strongly as everyone else.

Well I certainly am with Freddy but he's garbage now, very disappointing.

 

[Dizzy]

Thanks XXZ, JC being a pressure character and all the frame data on that really is helpful!

 

[jonman]

Thanks for the frame data XXZ.

Any movement nerf will definitely hurt Johnny Cage. I'll still main him though.

 

[Asodimazze]

Johnny Cage ex shadow kick doesn't have full armor anymore, It's strange that none of you mentioned it in 5 pages of thread.

 

[leek]

XXZ, could you find out what 13 on block is? It feels like neutral but I'm not sure

 

[RWDY Nori]

I thought JC has adv after his F33 series? Is it F33B3 that has the adv?

 

[leek]

I thought JC has adv after his F33 series? Is it F33B3 that has the adv?

I don't know for sure, but I thought I heard he has either +2 or -2 on block for F33. Can't remember, and B3 pushes too far back to really matter with adv or not imo..

 

[Playpal]

I thought JC has adv after his F33 series? Is it F33B3 that has the adv?

F33 is disadvantage. F33B3 is neutral

You guys can test out frame advantage yourself. I find the jump method to be inconsistent. Try using the crouch method. Do the string/move you want to do, pause and set the opponent to crouch (neutral or block doesn't matter I find).

 

[PimpUigi]

Johnny Cage ex shadow kick doesn't have full armor anymore, It's strange that none of you mentioned it in 5 pages of thread.

????

 

[Somberness]

Did I say F33 was -2? Sorry, that was using the old, unreliable method, it is actually -4. 1,3 is neutral though. So is F33B3.