Patch Changes

[leek]

I know that f+3 is not crouchable. You people are missing the point.

Does f+3 jail, so that the opponent cannot crouch after a blocked jumping punch, which has less advantageous frames in the patch? Again, f+3,3~EX forceball will not work if the opponent can crouch block f+3 after a jumping punch

Do you mean the actual animation? So he stays in standing, as to use the ex-forceball?

not sure. Would you like to test it?

 

[Asodimazze]

I don't think the f3,2 nerf is that bad guys. There are ways around it, NRS did a good job with this patch

 

[sLeeK]

Before I was going off the patch notes and now I just read the hotfix..

"nutpunch damage slightly reduced"

FML

 

[Dizzy]

I know that f+3 is not crouchable. You people are missing the point.

Does f+3 jail, so that the opponent cannot crouch after a blocked jumping punch, which has less advantageous frames in the patch? Again, f+3,3~EX forceball will not work if the opponent can crouch block f+3 after a jumping punch

I am aware of the point, and the answer is yes.

Tested post patch off jump-in punch to see if they are jailed in standing:
1 (8 frames) - Yes
F3 (9 frames) - Yes
B3 (11 frames) - Yes
F2 (16 frames) - Yes
F4 (28 frames) - No, note this move didn't jail pre-patch anyways

For the hell of it, I tested to see what the threshold for jailing was. It looks to be 16 frames. Sindel's U4 (16 frames) jailed while he 2 (17 frames) did not. Tested a few other 17 frame moves such as Kitanas 4 and F4 and same results.

Note, I edited my other post I meant 16 frames. My bad.

 

[Wildabeast]

F+3, 2 is still great for getting in and still a great pressuring tool, now you'll just have to HC nut punch after F+3, 3 or something.

 

[jbthrash]

I don't really care about the f3, 2 thing. Johnny cage still has other options. Like somebody else said, I think it should be used for pressure, other wise it makes other strings useless.

However, if they are going to nerf Cage like this then they should fix Ermac and Reptile so they don't automatically evade the frame trap.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Well, F3 2 being rendered essentially useless, and my prior interest in Sonya - who was nerfed even worse; has led me to the conclusion that if I'm going to continue playing this game I'll be dropping Cage in a competitive sense and will just resort back to Reptile, Sub Zero and Ermac. While yes, F3 nut punch will still work, F3 2 helped him cover the distance to get in. That added to the dash system change is going to fuck him over big time.

Maybe in MK10 F3 2 will juggle. What an absurdly retarded reasoning to 'fix' this. Let's say theoretically the string DID juggle, I'd still go for the reset, I'll always go for the reset given the opportunity.

Thanks, NRS. I'm wondering how F0xy won't drop this game all together - he must be pissed. Such viable character variety with this patch. Maybe if JC and Sonya were generic ninjas they would've remained untouched or buffed.

^What Devastation is going to consist of.

 

[Cat]

Lol you guys crying about cage. He is still great. He still has his frame advantage after f3,2 that's is all you need.

 

[Mikemetroid]

I never liked using the F3, 2 because if it was used on someone who jumped away you would hit them across the screen pretty much.

I am just upset that they put the damage down for the nut punch...

 

[salvificblood]

I think the nut punch should do more damage, afterall, it does look like the most damaging move in the game...

 

[RWDY Nori]

Lol you guys crying about cage. He is still great. He still has his frame advantage after f3,2 that's is all you need.

Shut up ho, you rage quitted SZ to use Kabal lol

 

[Wildabeast]

Apparently you cant even HC just F3 into Nut Punch either (atleast not in the last version, I'm playing on PS3). Not sure why not since Sub Zero's F4 properly combos and its part of a 2 hit string that is otherwise uncomboable. I guess well all just have to get used to HCing F3, 3.

 

[Playpal]

Apparently you cant even HC just F3 into Nut Punch either (atleast not in the last version, I'm playing on PS3). Not sure why not since Sub Zero's F4 properly combos and its part of a 2 hit string that is otherwise uncomboable. I guess well all just have to get used to HCing F3, 3.

You can't hit confirm 1 hit normals, if you want to do F4 ice ball you need to commit. Unless you mean you can't combo on a standing opponent.

 

[MagicMan357]

f3,3-nut punch still works right? why are people crying?

 

[Cat]

f3,3-nut punch still works right? why are people crying?

Nope. Does not combo anymore it can be blocked. He still viable at high levels

 

[Cat]

Shut up ho, you rage quitted SZ to use Kabal lol

Lol I still use him. Kabal was my first character in the game if you dont remember the 1st tourney I went to over there I used kabal and sub.
How many char have you quit? Nightwolf?? Sub zero?? Etc. Lol

 

[sLeeK]

Nope. Does not combo anymore it can be blocked. He still viable at high levels

wait you're no longer aloud to hit confirm f3, 3 xx nutpunch? -__-

 

[Error]

I'm pretty sure F3, 3 still works since it's only half the string. At least there's no reason to remove it(besides the fact that I hate JC).

 

[Bildslash]

Nope. Does not combo anymore it can be blocked. He still viable at high levels

Are you sure F+3 3 doesn't work? Didn't you confuse it for F+3 2?

 

[Wildabeast]

You can't hit confirm 1 hit normals, if you want to do F4 ice ball you need to commit. Unless you mean you can't combo on a standing opponent.

Sub Zero's F4 is the first hit of a string (F4, 1+2) so it is hit confirmable. And no as far as I can tell you cant combo F3, Nut Punch on a standing opponent at all.

 

[Playpal]

Sub Zero's F4 is the first hit of a string (F4, 1+2) so it is hit confirmable. And no as far as I can tell you cant combo F3, Nut Punch on a standing opponent at all.

I think you're mistaking the concept of hit confirming with string cancelling into specials. You can do F4 iceball, but you need to commit to the ice ball. You can't do F4, check if your opponent was hit and then cancel into ice ball. You need to dial in the ice ball input during the execution frames of the F4. Whereas with 22, you can check if the first 2 hits, then follow up the string with ice ball. 22 is easier to hit confirm because it's a 2 hit string, while F4 is a one hit normal.

 

[CY MasterHavik]

Jax can 1,2, dash punch. That must not be right as well....

 

[Playpal]

Jax can 1,2, dash punch. That must not be right as well....

I think you're mistaking 12 with 21.

 

[Dizzy]

Jax can 1,2, dash punch. That must not be right as well....

For Jax:

1, 2 is not a complete string which is why 1, 2 xx dash punch works.

1, 2, 3 is a complete string and you cannot dash punch after the 3.

 

[Demonfang10]

Kung Lao, he has a full string that is special cancellable string. 2,4, Low Hat. Kabal's ->3,2 Nomad. They're just picking on Johnny because some of the other characters are lacking. I love Reptile and they're and they're buffing him! Why that is the stupidest thing they could do they could do next thing you'll now he'll have a hat!