NO MORE FREE CANCELS

[ogrimtitan]

I haven’t seen any autopilot Jacquis actually be successful, though. Can you name one? The only people who are successful with her are essentially the best players in the game — the people who are thinking and adapting the most.

I could entertain an argument for her being super strong, but ‘autopilot’ is exactly the opposite of what makes her good.

Perhaps some clarification will help. When I say "autopilot," I don't mean specifically that Jaqui doesn't have to think to play the game (although I'd argue she's much simpler to play well than many characters). What I mean is that many of her moves do the work for the player. Certainly her staggers work this way. You simply dial them in and wait for your opponent to make a mistake. Especially in the corner, which is where you're always going to be due to the threat of dash punch and the fact that her clinch ender always offers the opportunity to end a combo on the correct side for her. And that's really the problem with a lot of the strongest characters in the game. Geras has this problem (re: advantage) all through his move set. There's no real active strategy to applying his mixups because they're so thoroughly built in to everything he does. He's flow-chart-y. Many of Jaqui's moves are like that, too. To mix the opponent, you just have to hit the buttons, whereas to get out of the mix, they have to out-think you AND hit the right buttons.

Edit: I should add that the above is exponentially more true online, where 99% of the player base plays the game.

 

[santanabar]

Perhaps some clarification will help. When I say "autopilot," I don't mean specifically that Jaqui doesn't have to think to play the game (although I'd argue she's much simpler to play well than many characters). What I mean is that many of her moves do the work for the player. Certainly her staggers work this way. You simply dial them in and wait for your opponent to make a mistake. Especially in the corner, which is where you're always going to be due to the threat of dash punch and the fact that her clinch ender always offers the opportunity to end a combo on the correct side for her. And that's really the problem with a lot of the strongest characters in the game. Geras has this problem (re: advantage) all through his move set. There's no real active strategy to applying his mixups because they're so thoroughly built in to everything he does. He's flow-chart-y. Many of Jaqui's moves are like that, too. To mix the opponent, you just have to hit the buttons, whereas to get out of the mix, they have to out-think you AND hit the right buttons.

Edit: I should add that the above is exponentially more true online, where 99% of the player base plays the game.

Jacqui easy to play? Like yes, this game learning any character is pretty easy, but honestly I can't think of any character harder to play than her. Maybe raiden because of his weird teleport cancel timing, but that's it.

 

[ogrimtitan]

Jacqui easy to play? Like yes, this game learning any character is pretty easy, but honestly I can't think of any character harder to play than her. Maybe raiden because of his weird teleport cancel timing, but that's it.

There's a difference between "easy to play in that I don't have to hit a lot of buttons very fast" and "easy to play in that I don't really have to care much about character or player matchups." Jaqui is the latter, and that's the important part. As you noted, the execution barrier in this game isn't super high. With a reasonable amount of practice, any player can play any character and use all their tools pretty thoroughly. So saying she's more technical than most is NBD. But most characters in this game DO have to think in matchups. They do have to adjust their strategies and how they play. They do have to learn character-specific strategies. Jaqui, for the most part, does not. She plays the same vs. almost every character in the roster. That's what I mean by "easy to play."

 

[CrimsonShadow]

There's a difference between "easy to play in that I don't have to hit a lot of buttons very fast" and "easy to play in that I don't really have to turn my brain on to play most matchups." Jaqui is the latter, and that's the important part. As you noted, the execution barrier in this game isn't super high. With a reasonable amount of practice, any player can play any character and use all their tools pretty thoroughly. So saying she's more technical than most is NBD. But most characters in this game DO have to think in matchups. They do have to adjust their strategies and how they play. They do have to learn character-specific strategies. Jaqui, for the most part, does not. She plays the same vs. almost every character in the roster. That's what I mean by "easy to play."

Yeah, I disagree. No one who wants to win plays the same way vs. every character. Just approaching alone changes a lot based on if their footsie normals outrange her f3, if they can zone, or teleport away, parry, etc.

 

[KutlessMyth]

Kung Lao says hi... How can he open you up? And look at how much of his resources he has to spend to keep pressure

Kung Lao spends 2 bars to have a gap and be minus 8, at best.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

The idea that cancels of any kind are 'easy to play' or 'autopilot' or for noobs or whatever is just silly to me. Like 99% of players can't do any cancels at all lol

 

[SoapBar]

Y'know, I think back to "Kotal's" reveal trailer and how weird it was that Jacqui got the spotlight, beating his ass quite thoroughly in what should have been a showcase of his moveset.

And then the game came out.

After seeing both of these characters in action, it all makes sense.

#BuffKotal

 

[astronout]

So this thread is about people having bad reactionary skills, who don't wait for Jacqui to try follow up with a poke or cancel her strings, who mash D1 after a F3, and get blown up for it and cry?

 

[BuffRaiden]

The idea that cancels of any kind are 'easy to play' or 'autopilot' or for noobs or whatever is just silly to me. Like 99% of players can't do any cancels at all lol

99% of players can hit L2... This is the shallowest game they've ever made. I find myself going back to Injustice 2 if I want to have fun.

 

[MAN0]

So this thread is about people having bad reactionary skills, who don't wait for Jacqui to try follow up with a poke or cancel her strings, who mash D1 after a F3, and get blown up for it and cry?

That pretty much sums it up yes.

... This is the shallowest game they've ever made.

Just LOL man, I bet your fundamentals got a serious wake up call in this one.

 

[BuffRaiden]

That pretty much sums it up yes.


Just LOL man, I bet your fundamentals got a serious wake up call in this one.

Dude you see me complaining about losing? I'm complaining about character design, boredom, and an overall inspired gameplay. This game is not hard. But every character is as linear as it gets with maybe the exception of Raiden with Teleport cancels and even that is pretty meh. Even Kollector who had potential is reduced to f12 or f1 command grab. I play Tekken mostly. Don't defend NRS's most bland game to a tekken player lol. What are you doing?

If as a Raiden player I have to spend meter to cancel superman which leaves me at -15 of b12 and Jaqui can cancel for free at -2, something has to change. You want to give my character free cancels? Fine let's do it. Sounds good to me.

The fact remains, -2 to cancels in this game with no visual cue may as well be neutral or plus.

Fastest advancing mid in the game.

Noob Saibot level bnb damage.

NRS took Deadshot's rifle and shoved it so far up his ass we never saw him again after the November patch. Brace yourself boys.

 

[stamatis]

Let's stir up some shit.

This net code and the free cancels this character has. Fuck this shit.

Is it the net code or Jacqui the reason you are complaining?
I really don't get it.Since when a char must be nerfed because of the net code?Considering what I just read you are ok against her when playing offline right?

 

[MAN0]

If as a Raiden player I have to spend meter to cancel superman which leaves me at -15 of b12 and Jaqui can cancel for free at -2, something has to change. You want to give my character free cancels? Fine let's do it. Sounds good to me.

Take away his projectiles and teleport and he can have his minus free cancels, but then don't complain about him being zoned out. No point comparing them cause he is not designed that way.
Balance is everything, jacqui has enough bad match ups already.. don't complain because you can't interrupt 11 frame gaps. People with good mu knowledge can shut her down easily.

 

[BuffRaiden]

Is it the net code or Jacqui the reason you are complaining?
I really don't get it.Since when a char must be nerfed because of the net code?Considering what I just read you are ok against her when playing offline right?

That's hard to say, because it's easier dealing with all the dirty fake stuff offline. (Liu Kang staggers, scorpion f3 staggers, really just staggers in general are significantly easier to deal with offline.)

It's the lack of visual meter flash cue and the fact that it should be finite.

NinjaKilla did apply cancel pressure to sonic along with staggers.

As it stands now, the character is just too strong. She'd still be solid if she had to spend meter to cancel. You're telling me you need to do it 3+ times ? No. This way she eats a full combo guaranteed if she gets opened up.

 

[BuffRaiden]

Take away his projectiles and teleport and he can have his minus free cancels, but then don't complain about him being zoned out. No point comparing them cause he is not designed that way.
Balance is everything, jacqui has enough bad match ups already.. don't complain because you can't interrupt 11 frame gaps. People with good mu knowledge can shut her down easily.

No she does not have bad matchups. You're probably just not very good. Cassie has trouble getting in on Jade. Jaqui does not.

 

[santanabar]

There's a difference between "easy to play in that I don't have to hit a lot of buttons very fast" and "easy to play in that I don't really have to care much about character or player matchups." Jaqui is the latter, and that's the important part. As you noted, the execution barrier in this game isn't super high. With a reasonable amount of practice, any player can play any character and use all their tools pretty thoroughly. So saying she's more technical than most is NBD. But most characters in this game DO have to think in matchups. They do have to adjust their strategies and how they play. They do have to learn character-specific strategies. Jaqui, for the most part, does not. She plays the same vs. almost every character in the roster. That's what I mean by "easy to play."

I suggest you try her. Jacqui is my most played character, when I tried Liu Kang and realized how much the game changed when you don't have to chase everybody and how important projectiles are, I felt I was playing a different game, it was incredible easier. Same feeling now than I'm playing Cassie and can whiff punish from half screen distance.
I can safely say that my 80 games Liu Kang and Cassie are as good or even better than my 500 games Jacqui, or at least more successful.

Of course maybe it's me, but imo lack of neutral of Jacqui makes games so much harder and you can't approach recklessly. You can't have it easy when you have no projectiles, no range, no neutral, and chasing all game.

 

[MAN0]

No she does not have bad matchups. You're probably just not very good. Cassie has trouble getting in on Jade. Jaqui does not.

What's your psn?

 

[santanabar]

Fastest advancing mid in the game.

Just for curiosity, what's the move you consider "fastest advancing mid in the game" from Jacqui?

 

[BuffRaiden]

What's your psn?

I've got a million of them by now, but currently it's just BuffRaiden.

 

[just_2swift]

I think we all can agree with Kung Lao buffs

 

[BlondeWolf411]

Guys let’s buff erron’s barking iron cancels to be free too since he gets outzoned

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

I think we all can agree with Kung Lao buffs

Nah, I'd rather NOT have him be top tier for the 15 billionth time thanks.

 

[MAN0]

I've got a million of them by now, but currently it's just BuffRaiden.

Alright cool, want to go an ft10 with me, I just want to see how good you are and prove a point.
I'll use a low tier char against your main, and if you win I'll give you mad respect I promise.

 

[musgrave000]

99% of players can hit L2... This is the shallowest game they've ever made. I find myself going back to Injustice 2 if I want to have fun.

I say this with respect, maybe you should go back to a Injustice 2. Judging by the things you’re constantly saying about this game, and bashing anyone who says a positive thing about it, you’re obviously trying to play MK11 the way you want, instead of the way you should. Constantly bashing the game for character decisions you don’t agree with isn’t going to get you anywhere. You should consider altering your attitude, or just drop the game completely and move on. It’s one thing to criticize, it’s another to constantly call the game bland, trash, etc.

 

[VFELLHN]

No she does not have bad matchups. You're probably just not very good. Cassie has trouble getting in on Jade. Jaqui does not.

Better to spend time on the lab practicing against jaqqui instead of complaing about her here!! learn her gaps and try to learn her mix ups, she is not unbeatable as you think!!