SaSSolino
Soul Stealing Loyalist
Add Erron Black and Sonya and these are all the character I find in the KL.
Add Erron Black and Sonya and these are all the character I find in the KL.
I very much agree with these
Ive actually been struggling with her low shot full screen. It seems he does 9% to her 7% but he gets knocked down while she stays standing. It seems she gets a second one off before I can get up and corpse drop. It goes under my straight skull and she can move to full screen out of range of my Ground Explosion? Tips
First of all, Kneecapping does 6%. Second if we trade I win the damage trade by 3%. So if I am knocked down and have to block her next shot (which does 1.75% chip) I still win the trade: her 6+1,75 = 7.75% against my 9%. If we don’t trade but take turns the Corpse drop wins the chip war. All a good Cassie can do fullscreen is shoot and try to move out of the range of you Corpse, but you can predict that, and punish her with an appropriate Corpse placement. Or you can just shoot a straight skull If you feel she will try to move. Fullscreen the risk/reward is always in Shang’s favor, and it is extremely in his favor at the far Ground Eruption range.
You are right about the projectile trades. But air axe isn’t a problem since as soon as you see Sub take to the air you can do Ground Eruption or Corpse drop.
He zones you out and is straight up better up close.
I don't want to search through the entire thread again but from what I've seen so far his matchups are for the most part:
you forgot liu and i dont think sonya his a bad mu for shang.
That makes since. I played a God Rank Noob which wasn't spacing perfectly and it still felt like it was uphill and I played a pocket noob in sets that I usually beat when they use their main (Liu Kang - LQ).
I edited it but why do you think that? I feel like she dominates him up close and has excellent zoning and her Drone Drop seems better than his Corpse with how she can use it and it has better hit advantage and she gets a mid projectile from 1 bar while he has to blow two bars to do the same. I feel like her pokes, buttons and far range is better slightly but I can see he can out footsie her and trip her up with DB1 but she does have a female hitbox so she can slurp through Ground explosion easier than most.
mid screen she lose to shang cause she has to come in so you can zone her out , her ring full screen isnt a good trade with corpse for her but i agree its a lame battle at this point but shang win the trade. she bully shang close range but she has to come in also soul steal is usefull againts her shang can do massive damage has sonya. maybe not a very bad mu for sonya but certainly not in her favor i feel like imo. i would say 5-4 or even
I think I agree with that, I'd call it a rough matchup not a bad one. Thanks for explaining your point. I guess I played really good Sonya's that just outplayed me.
I don't. You made some good points in your previous post, what made you change your mind?
What?!? Why is Noob bad for Shang? Shang zones evenly with him fullscreen, corpses trade with anything noob can do, noob’s projectile trades evenly or gets interrupted, and shadow tackle gets destroyed before it reaches Shang. And if the projectile or the tackle is interrupted Shang can amplify to get the life lead. Noob also can’t teleport because the Corpse catches him at the top of the screen as he flies up. Midscreen, I don’t think Shang gets outfootsied because of Ground Eruption and Soul Steal. Shang can also full combo punish b1 1+3 at any range with far Ground Eruption. The scythe tele doesn’t help if you don’t use Ground Eruption when noob is in the air. If you just throw corpses on him he won’t be able to jump anyway.
Sonya feels even to me. I would say that Shang wins if it wasn’t for her ridiculous damage off the mix up. He zones her for sure. Shang doesn’t really have time to do her full combo of b12 or b14 in the corner, but he still can get around 400. But using the Soul Steal is risky over all in this MU, because each time you morph back you can get mixed. And again just like Cassie, Sonya has a restand which gets her a guaranteed double combo on Shang if she catches him while being transformed. That shit is like 80% guaranteed!!!!! I only use Soul Steal in this MU in the corner combos, to use her own corner set play against her. But over all ending combos in far Ground Eruption is preferable.
What does he zone you out with?
The rifle stance and Scud Shot.
How can she lose full screen when both her projectile and drone drop are better than Shang's?
Was just accepting I may not know the matchup fully and could be playing it wrong. I feel its out if his favor slightly. The biggest problem is her zoning is strong and she has amazing damage into rest and and even when she cashes out for full damage his wakeup U2/3 are pretty bad the U2 catches nobody so I feel he is easily kept on the ground. But when he gets momentum he can be a real threat and he does have better mid range?
Riffle stance zones every kharacter in the game, that is why it’s only 8 shots. With Shang’s zoning options that shouldn’t be a problem for a whole match. Scud shot doesn’t work against corpses. You zone him with that, after he’s learnt that Scud shot doesn’t help, your other options open up.
I don’t think her drone is better. It is different , it has better hit advantage. And that’s it. The start up is 30 frames , while Shang’s is 26. It only does 6% damage (9% for the Corpse), and is -23 on block (-16 for the Corpse) . On top of all that it only does 1.75% chip. And every time she blocks your Corpse there is a mind game of Amplified or not. She has to either wait a bit or jump out before the amplify. Both of which give you another turn at a skull or at another corpse.