We got him bois. We got him.Cage isn’t so bad
If they're negative enough, you should be clipping them with your down 1 on the way up, then juggling them for a big combo if you can react in time to the d1 hitting.So this isn't really a cage discussion but I've noticed that I'll run into players that will just jump whenever they're minus and it's your turn. I would always hold block or try to crush a high when I'm minus but I just started jumping to whiff punish people that try taking they're turn. It's really stupid. The only way to get punished is if they make the hard read that you are jumping. What is the counterplay to jumping out of minus frames?
D4 unless they jump. Still beats everything, opens up way more mindgames. They eat the d4 and then have to contend with f3 into throw, f3 caged rage, f344 into neutral, f344 amped forceballs into pressure, or just dash throw, possibly more options.So after a nutpunch they have to either guess a throw or a d1. D1 beats any button and if we throw and they hold block we win. That's great to know unless I'm missing something
It took me a while to come to terms with the stamina meter being removed, but at least Cage is the only character that can cancel out of fatal blows, if I'm not mistaken. They catered to the whiners, but I'm past that and I'm adapting."Somebody here said he was playing Cage like he would in MKX, thus causing frustration."
Yep, that was me. Or at least I'm one of the people that's saying that.
I also have to laugh at that Scorpion player calling a Cage player a bitch. Cage is one of the most honest characters in the game; if a Cage player beats you as Scorpion, it's because you were outmatched.
Alright, so Kano sort of has a similar move with F43. If you played against Kano you'd know what it is. It's very slow and unsafe, but the fact that F4 is an overhead and 3 is a crushing blow makes up for it. Cage doesn't need an overhead, but if F4 was sped up as you say, and the second attack was a much better and viable crushing blow, I guess I'd be on board with it. If your opponent is blocking, you're playing Cage the right way. F43 the way it is now is ridiculous. It's like they intended for you to purposely miss the first kick.We got him bois. We got him.
But nah, realtalk, super psyched that you stuck it out and found your footing with him. And I actually think Frost is a solid contender for worst character.
I still disagree on the f3 thing, just cuz it’d make our f4 pointless. I think speeding up f4 a few frames is the healthier buff because it adds more depth than constant f3’s. Also I realized today that our d4 being so insanely + on hit also lets us mindgame dash throws after they resepct the jail and block. Also, whoever mentioned f3 into throw was right, I thought it sounded gimmicky, but it’s decent.
Sub Zero- thin ice shouldn’t give you trouble. Some important things to remember, is that it is important to work in forceballs in this matchup. You need to make him think he can slide, and nuke his fucking ass to mars when he does. F3 punishes slide, or 34, whatever you wna use, just blow em up, end in nutpunch, and take him to flavor, er, mixup town. Forceballs are one of the few projectiles fast enough that you can disrupt his iceball rythm and get away with it. Use them carefully, only enough to make him slide, then make him regret not picking dead winter variation.
Remember that both low and OH are negative on block, as well as any stagger so it’s important to look for when to take your turn. Iceball is full combo punishable with 244. If you get the coin flip right, it’s important you take your rewards.
Past that it’s just a matchup that’s going to test your movement and neutral game really hard, as well as how good you are at waking up (fuck SZ’s throws). Outspacing him while being aware of when he could slide is difficult, but possible. Dead Winter is frustrating for his ability to take the skill out of the matchup and make it a coin flip, but remember that still gives you a 50% chance if you’re punishing when you guess right.
Fuck Geras. 212 is the most cancerous fucking pile of shit. And fuck Erron. You played one who uses the scudshot cancel? It makes his strings 0 on block, or close to it. Nothing hits him before he can block. And his normals, god, fuck that character. At least slide seems reactable, so one less mixup. Sonya, SZ, Scorpion- don’t care. Fighting Geras or Erron are the only times I don’t even want to play MK11.
A good SZ isn't going to let you activate Brass Knuckles. Iceballs are one problem, but I think he can also slide it on reaction. The only time you can use it is by ending a combo in 121 brass knuckles, but you give up your nutpunch/wakeup pressure which you NEED. Not worth it, imo.Alright, so Kano sort of has a similar move with F43. If you played against Kano you'd know what it is. It's very slow and unsafe, but the fact that F4 is an overhead and 3 is a crushing blow makes up for it. Cage doesn't need an overhead, but if F4 was sped up as you say, and the second attack was a much better and viable crushing blow, I guess I'd be on board with it. If your opponent is blocking, you're playing Cage the right way. F43 the way it is now is ridiculous. It's like they intended for you to purposely miss the first kick.
The Cage player that beat me used brass knuckles and chipped me out at the end of every round with force balls. I didn't use brass knuckles enough to give an opinion on it, but I'll use it against Sub Zero and see how it works out.
Yeah, Cage is the only character that can dash cancel out of his Fatal BlowIt took me a while to come to terms with the stamina meter being removed, but at least Cage is the only character that can cancel out of fatal blows, if I'm not mistaken. They catered to the whiners, but I'm past that and I'm adapting.
I'll take your advice on Sub Zero and try things as I go. It's not like everyone and their mother picks him and Scorpion anyway. I shouldn't have a problem coming back here with advice/outcomes. I really have to start posting videos.A good SZ isn't going to let you activate Brass Knuckles. Iceballs are one problem, but I think he can also slide it on reaction. The only time you can use it is by ending a combo in 121 brass knuckles, but you give up your nutpunch/wakeup pressure which you NEED. Not worth it, imo.
And I forgot how shit the f43 KB is. I... Idk what they should do with that. I just meant lowering the startup of f4 from 14f to 12 or even 11 frames if we're being greedy. That would really set it apart from f3 as THE tool to stop neutral crouchers.
If they fix KB's we're going to be top tier. Not just because Johnny is solid, but because we've found so much tech with him because we're a bit weaker this time around. Yall seen the Liu Kang boards? Or the Skarlet or Cassie ones? There's practically no discussion. People using high/top tiers get complacent. The people using SZ/Geras/Erron/Sonya are going to fall apart after the slightest nerfs.
I'm glad to see someone mention this. It was funny the first two times, but it got annoying quick. I don't even do his fatalities online either. I hope they release his decap fatality again in a dlc or something as short. I recently started using Cage's F344 brutality, but the ending ruins it. Just have him sign an autograph and throw it on the corpse or something. It's like they tried to go overboard with the humor. That's why I loved Cage in MKX because it was a "mature" type of comedy if that makes sense. The intros especially.Here’s a Johnny Cage nerf I want to see immediately :
remove the animation of him playing with the fucking doll after he does a brutality. Ffs it takes longer than a fatality to end.
That string could end in an unblockable overhead that transfers 100$ from their bank account to yours and still be fair lol. Also it's good to see everyone working on Johnny again. I'm making a video now for his jank hitboxes. I'll update when finished.I've said this before but making f43 end in an overhead would be a cute buff. Just make it not plus 7 on block so it's fair
B2 is 14 frames.Playing alot of scorpions I hate trying to punish a teleport and getting d2, so im forced to d2 or f4 on teleport which doesnt allow you a full punish.
Edit- not at home at the moment but how fast is b2 forgot