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LMNYHappyDaze

Noob
Yeah that's true it is still early but I ran into some pretty notable players the other day. I don't wanna name drop but they were some recognizable tournament players and they couldn't get in on me for anything. That could also be inexperience with the character but I also think it's not in Terminators favor to begin with. Time will tell but it's my first impressions.
 
heildan

heildan

NANI?!
Terminator seems pretty weak to zoning so far. It doesn't look like Johnny have trouble up close against him too, he has the tools.
 
M.D.

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
So Rewind has Cage at top 2 in the game.

I have no idea why I keep doing this trying to row up stream instead of quitting the game. Maybe I'm masochistic :/

TOP 2 = being able to jail from a poke and having rising star

Now I'm starting to genuinely be concerned i'm a tard and just don't get it while everyone else sees the light.
Alas, literally nobody is winning with Cage anything except random casuals where people get d1ed after blocking -14 b2, so yea.

I find it amusing how top Cage players literally LOSE the match while saying "he's dumb", "he's top tier".

Come on guys, how about actually SHOWING US? There's an idea.

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DrFolmer

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
M.D. said:
Now I'm starting to genuinely be concerned i'm a tard and just don't get it while everyone else sees the light
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Nah bruvski, I'm there too. It's cringe seeing people get hit with f344 after 124 when you in no single scenario have to take it. "Bro he can dash throw" - neutral ducking covers both options. The only option he has is to commit to f44 for no damage or risk everything on f4 NP. People talk so much about footsies yet these guys fall for shit that works on Kombatant players. I understand you can get hit from a d4 into f3 if you wanna read a grab nah fuck that LOL. But jeez, these people take full combos in situations they can full combo punish lmao. Just back dash and you dont take anything except maybe a shadow kick or a fireball (in other variations).

Johnny is crazy good at baiting pokes and whiff punishing - these guys dont even get hit by whiff punishers, they just out here pressing buttons when they shouldnt. I swear, some the online warriors in Elder God have labbed the matchup and that shit is sooooooooo clean. They backdash when they should, poke and disrespect at the right times, they dont let you get away with 3 f3 staggers in a row.

At least know the matchup and have above-Kombatant execution before dropping the top 1
 
M.D.

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
DrFolmer said:
I swear, some the online warriors in Elder God have labbed the matchup and that shit is sooooooooo clean. They backdash when they should, poke and disrespect at the right times, they dont let you get away with 3 f3 staggers in a row.

At least know the matchup and have above-Kombatant execution before dropping the top 1
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This, how can I have this on a t-shirt, mother of god this, yes please god yes this yes.
 
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Deleted member 35141

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Ive been watching sonic play johnny and hes pretty good with him.
The one thing I see though is nobody contests any of his highs acting like they are mids. I get that it's sonic fox like I would obviously get trashed but it's other pros.

Djt blocked f43 almost everytime sonic did it yet I played 12 matches yesterday against nobodies to see if I can get anyone to block that string and nope I hopped over every single time.

I also watched a video of reo and he was poking metroid out of his highs and I'm like finally
 
M.D.

M.D.

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I hope that's not the video where the last match with frost he just let go of block 2 times in a row against b34 and lost vs 10 life cage because I almost had a stroke watching it
 
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M.D. said:
I hope that's not the video where the last match with frost he just let go of block 2 times in a row against b34 and lost vs 10 life cage because I almost had a stroke watching it
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Lol I must have missed that match
 
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Rodney Quillz

Kombatant
“Cage is a great character in the right opposing players hands.”

“Wut?”

It’s gotten to the point where I just started f3ing on knockdown or whenever I’m in b3 distance because people are just neutral jumping or jumping forward like crazy, you don’t experience this at the higher levels in KL or online.

I saw DJT block f3 like it was a mid and he was definitely respecting it too much but good players like that are gonna look for openings and what not, not mash out.

Everyone in here is facing people who are just mashing out, you want to play this character like sonic but you cannot because you aren’t facing his level of competition.

I think the reason why mashers tend to beat a lot of us here is because we get super frustrated with Cage and his certain flaws and it tends to get into our heads and we start making mistakes.

If you play patient enough, the mashers will kinda hang themselves.
 
DrFolmer

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
I just wanna see people challenging stuff a lot more. There are quite a few characters on the roster who actually shutdown a lot of the shimmies. Sub and Scorpion for instance have d4's that make b34 after 124/forceballs useless as it reaches before it hits. This limits the approach somewhat. I just wanna see people actually study the matchup. Cage is a lot less scary when you force him to either 1) not press his advantage, 2) commit to f4.

These characters have a lot of options to contest the plusframes, particularly Scorpion has some nasty teleport whiff punishing if Cage presses buttons with out dashing first. But no, people do delayed jabs out of his +6 and get launched, people challenge with mids and highs instead of low profiling pokes. Or make him come off his offensive meter through forceballs making the neutral much more favorable for the opponent in terms of taking risks (as he cannot launch in this state). The footage I've seen so far is just a clusterfuck of questionable decision making, and yes some of it is solid reads, but theres nothing matchup specific

Im loving the new Kotal btw fuck yea
 
thlityoursloat

thlityoursloat

kick kick
M.D. said:
Kotal?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1182799648064442368
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Kotal confirmed top 1 because he can literally never die!
Scarlet top 1 because she also can't die!
Scorpion is top 1 because twirly speer checks everything and is safe in certain scenarios against certain characters!
Kano is top 1 because his d1 is a 50/50 on block!

A character is top 1 when they just have one good tool. It's pretty simple, and makes perfect sense.
 
M.D.

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Except guile has plus on block projectiles and can combo from them on hit from a string,and his projectiles don't whiff from 3/4 of the screen to close, and his anti-air reaches from half screen. He also has plus on block advancing normals and godlike normals anti air that literally beats ANY attack from the air period.

I think you might have pushed that comparation through the roof.

Commendable try though.

Also please see top 8 from Brazil tourney with some of the best players in the world to get a glimpse of actual godlike unbreakable damage, zoning, staggers, 60%+ combos to end the round and godlike footsies (i.e. the true top 5 of the game).

P.s.HINT: Cage was not in there.

P.p.s Comentators were making fun of twitter "pro" players saying sonya was mid tier and not top 5, all throughout top 8. Just to get an idea of the quality of info you get from those clueless twitter "pros" lol
 
M.D.

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Error404 said:
Here's a vod in which I play in grand finals vs a Frost at a Local gaming event. I think I used outtake okay. Barely clutched it out and won 3:2. Excuse the Bulgarian commentary.

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Great job, they should have just started you from 1-0 just for having the gall to pick Cage against Frost.

Laughed out loud when she poked you out of 121 during the MID. She didn't use enough d4s and kept jumping though, and didn't seem familiar with the matchup. Even that alone, her 11 frame mid and pokes are hell for Cage and you kept your cool under pressure, very very nice.

#TOP1BOYZ OMG HOW EZ FREE WIN #IWASATTHEBATHROOMANDWONTHETOURNAMENTBYMISTAKE
 
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Tundra81

Kombatant
Error404 said:
Here's a vod in which I play in grand finals vs a Frost at a Local gaming event. I think I used outtake okay. Barely clutched it out and won 3:2. Excuse the Bulgarian commentary.

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Fantastic come back, well done man! I didn't understand a single word but it was a hype set either way. That's a pretty tough MU for us. That dude definitely looked like a Frost main. :DOGE

Damn MD can we let the man celebrate for Christ sakes, lol.
 
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