I find it problematic.. if you get in the b12 range, Shaolin outranges her with his b123 or f24 .. and if you try to zone and not careful he gets a divekick inHow do you guys feel about the piercing-shaolin matchup?
Says who?So Mileena apprantly 7-3's Kotal.
Kotal players.Says who?
Hmmmm, not sure about that. The MU may be hard/losing but i find the term 7-3 is thrown around way too often.Kotal players.
I picked up Sun God recently but haven't tried the matchup. Why is it so bad? In my mind the way it works is that full screen sun god can parry all sais on reaction, at 2/3 screen the threat of j1 makes it scary to throw sais, and up close it seems like kotal would do fine?Hmmmm, not sure about that. The MU may be hard/losing but i find the term 7-3 is thrown around way too often.
I have a few ideas but havent played the MU in the XL era. If you are free tonight we can play the MU and see how it is?I picked up Sun God recently but haven't tried the matchup. Why is it so bad? In my mind the way it works is that full screen sun god can parry all sais on reaction, at 2/3 screen the threat of j1 makes it scary to throw sais, and up close it seems like kotal would do fine?
Do you mean Mileena apparently 7-3's the whole cast?So Mileena apprantly 7-3's Kotal.
If my internet is working, I'm totally down to run the MU. However, I moved flats recently and during the evenings (peak time for Internet usage in my area), I often go from 50mbps to literally 2-3mbps and online becomes unplayable. Virgin Media is trying to fix but they estimate it might take until mid-May.I have a few ideas but havent played the MU in the XL era. If you are free tonight we can play the MU and see how it is?
To be more specific. i say a status update from @Generalbit along with @Tweedy claiming she 7-3's him.Hmmmm, not sure about that. The MU may be hard/losing but i find the term 7-3 is thrown around way too often.
If you honestly think she 7-3s him. Why not give reasons instead of this?I've played the match up quite a bit vs good players. I'm not going to debate match up specifics with the Mileena community, though(any valid points I make will always be downplayed or ignored). I'd rather just play Shaolin Jin or someone as a secondary, that doesn't get blown up by her.
Edit: I understand that the response that i'll get will be something like "oh well you just don't know what you're talking about, that's why you're not posting anything specific", but i'd rather take that route, than engage in a debate with easily the ugliest community on the site. I've been down that road before.
It is a shame you feel that way as I am legit curious as to why you think it is 7-3 and just have a discussion. If you would like then please feel free to PM me your thoughts and can talk there.I've played the match up quite a bit vs good players. I'm not going to debate match up specifics with the Mileena community, though(any valid points I make will always be downplayed or ignored). I'd rather just play Shaolin Jin or someone as a secondary, that doesn't get blown up by her.
Edit: I understand that the response that i'll get will be something like "oh well you just don't know what you're talking about, that's why you're not posting anything specific", but i'd rather take that route, than engage in a debate with easily the ugliest community on the site. I've been down that road before.
Frame trap? LoLKotal's best mid is 9f B1, best poke is 6f long range d4. I can't see how people keep saying Mileena out footsie Kotal with her 11f B1 and short pokes. Kotal's [whatever that string is] air grab frame trap is universal in all variation right?
I mean he has something cancel into air grab that ends up plus block right?Frame trap? LoL
But I'm not here to downplay kotal, I'm here to give my opinion on the matchup. Because I was asked to, b1 for mileena outranges Kotal's b1 and his d4, so yes she outfootsies him. Just cuz he has a 2 frame faster mid, doesn't mean he beats her in the neutral.
114 is plus 4 0r 5 when canceled into air grabI mean he has something cancel into air grab that ends up plus block right?
Ask the Kano players.Iv been playing CT Kano, what can I do against Piercing Mileena, she low profiles everything... whats the plan here?
Thanks for posting your response.I will give my reasons and I am not afraid to be blown up or proven wrong.
Let me preface by saying that I am of the mind that mileena has no bad mu's and if she does they are few and far between. So if you read that, and think I am crazy, do not read on.
This mu is excrutiatingly painful for Kotal. Mileena counters absolutely every one of kotal's options. She zones him rather well, AA's him free with that damn ball. Air to Air conversions out the ass and also outreaches kotal's j1 w her j4, she breaks his armor easy with her meaty PLUS f2 that can be used to continue pressure if she doesn't break your armor due to the easy hit confirmability of her f2. She out footsie's K w b12, has better staggers than K's b1 with many of her strings, her armor is faster and also breaks other armor (for example if you try and expose her gap in any string into ex ball her armor will break yours before you hit her). She also has multiple plus strings and moves that can be used to bait, or roll a counter-poke, and she also has a low sai to throw out whenever she has meter because a smart player is ready for the ball, but her low special, unlike K's leaves the opponent standing with hit advantage enough to continue pressure before one can armor out of hit advantage.I was showed that mileena v kotal is wrecked. I know what you're thinking though, "But general, just play patiently! God you fucking idiot...." to that I say, playing patiently waiting for a good mileena to hang themselves won't happen. They won't do anything unsafe unless they feel the need to, which they won't ever feel the need to against Kotal. And the odds you defend well enough for the other guy to get bored and just throw out roll is unlikely in itself.