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[RothVI]

So after looking it up, ninjas are just spies that don't kill (unless necessary?). Only specific ninja clans teach the art of assassination. That seems to be the only difference between the two.

 

[stokedAF]

Not at all.

You have more French influence than japan being in Europe. You probably have it in your blood as well. The comparison is dumb anyway lol. Are you saying ninjas aren’t a clan of assassins in spies?

 

[HeavyNorse]

You have more French influence than japan being in Europe. You probably have it in your blood as well. The comparison is dumb anyway lol. Are you saying ninjas aren’t a clan of assassins in spies?

I'm saying Sub-Zero and the Lin Kuei aren't ninjas.

All ninjas are assassins, but not all assassins are ninjas.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

Shirai Ryu is a real clan of japanese ninjas. Lin Kuei is a fictional chinese clan os assasins. Both are assasins, not both are ninjas.

Supposedly the Lin Kuei is based on a real life Chinese clan of the same name.

So after looking it up, ninjas are just spies that don't kill (unless necessary?). Only specific ninja clans teach the art of assassination. That seems to be the only difference between the two.

Ninjas also practice ninjutsu. Assassins practice all kinds of martial arts, or hell, maybe even none at all if they are a sniper or what have you.

 

[RothVI]

Ninjas also practice ninjutsu. Assassins practice all kinds of martial arts, or hell, maybe even none at all if they are a sniper or what have you.

Right. So Scorpion is a "ninja" and an assassin. Sub-Zero on the other hand is a ______ and an assassin. We just need to fill in the blank.

 

[HeavyNorse]

Right. So Scorpion is a "ninja" and an assassin. Sub-Zero on the other hand is a ______ and an assassin. We just need to fill in the blank.

Chinese warrior.
Or Cryomancer.

 

[stokedAF]

but not all assassins are ninjas.

Agreed.

 

[TheJaquio]

First of all, I want to point out that ninjas as we know them today are 99% a fictional concept. Historically speaking, there is no real evidence cloaked assassins running around in Japan, offing feudal lords. Ninjas, if anything, were actually normally dressed spies, uses for espionage and informational sabotage, just like spies today are.

Second, suspending disbelief and going along with the idea of ninja assassins, calling both Chinese and Japanese assassins "ninjas" would be culturally ignorant, as it's a word specifically describing a certain caste of Japanese warrior/spy. Both countries had different ideologies, values, and codes of honor impressed upon their people. In the same way an English knight is held to the codes of Chivalry and is therefore fundamentally different than a Samurai who is held to the codes of Bushido, the cultural standards and historical background of Japanese ninjas vs Chinese assassins/spies would be different.

 

[HeavyNorse]

This video explains everything:

 

[NothingPersonal]

Supposedly the Lin Kuei is based on a real life Chinese clan of the same name.



Ninjas also practice ninjutsu. Assassins practice all kinds of martial arts, or hell, maybe even none at all if they are a sniper or what have you.

Cool, I didnțt find it nywhere though.

 

[stokedAF]

First of all, I want to point out that ninjas as we know them today are 99% a fictional concept. Historically speaking, there is no real evidence cloaked assassins running around in Japan, offing feudal lords. Ninjas, if anything, were actually normally dressed spies, uses for espionage and informational sabotage, just like spies today are.

Second, suspending disbelief and going along with the idea of ninja assassins, calling both Chinese and Japanese assassins "ninjas" would be culturally ignorant, as it's a word specifically describing a certain caste of Japanese warrior/spy. Both countries had different ideologies, values, and codes of honor impressed upon their people. In the same way an English knight is held to the codes of Chivalry and is therefore fundamentally different than a Samurai who is held to the codes of Bushido, the cultural standards and historical background of Japanese ninjas vs Chinese assassins/spies would be different.

The American CIA are ninjas and chivalry and bushido are basically the same.

 

[NothingPersonal]

Scorpion wasn’t a ninja anymore because he had no clan. He was a wraith from hell lol. Sub zero is more a ninja than him.

So all youțre arguing about is that Scorpion is a hellspawn of a former ninja man, thus not a ninja? Lol, nope. Hețs had ninja training, thus he is a ninja.

 

[stokedAF]

So all youțre arguing about is that Scorpion is a hellspawn of a former ninja man, thus not a ninja? Lol, nope. Hețs had ninja training, thus he is a ninja.

He was a ninja.

 

[HeavyNorse]

He was a ninja.

He's still a ninja. Did you not play MKX? Did you not read the comics? Hanzo revived the Shirai Ryu and is its grandmaster.

 

[TheJaquio]

Mkay, dude's just trolling, let's move along lol

 

[NothingPersonal]

He was a ninja.

He is former, but a ninja. There are no retired ninjas.

 

[stokedAF]

He's still a ninja. Did you not play MKX? Did you not read the comics? Hanzo revived the Shirai Ryu and is its grandmaster.

This is true. He was a former ninja up until mkx where he restored the clan.

 

[stokedAF]

Mkay, dude's just trolling, let's move along lol

So the CIA are not ninja by definition? Spies trained in the art of deception that occasionally pull off a strategic hit?

 

[HeavyNorse]

He is former, but a ninja. There are no retired ninjas.

Yeah, it's like saying a murderer isn't a murderer anymore just because he stopped killing people.

This is true. He was a former ninja up until mkx where he restored the clan.

No, I'd say he was still a ninja. He still used his training to kill people.

 

[stokedAF]

Yeah, it's like saying a murderer isn't a murderer anymore just because he stopped killing people.



No, I'd say he was still a ninja. He still used his training to kill people.

So the Shirai Ryu trained him to rip his face off and engulf people into flames?

 

[HeavyNorse]

So the Shirai Ryu trained him to rip his face off and engulf people into flames?

You realise that's not all he does, right?
Just because I know how to change a tire doesn't mean it negates my education in bakery.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

lol the evolution of this thread

 

[stokedAF]

You realise that's not all he does, right?
Just because I know how to change a tire doesn't mean it negates my education in bakery.

No but you seem perfectly fine with a Japanese ninja clan that specializes in a Chinese martial art (rope dart) but have a hard time calling a Chinese clan of assassins ninjas.

 

[HeavyNorse]

No but you seem perfectly fine with a Japanese ninja clan that specializes in a Chinese martial art (rope dart) but have a hard time calling a Chinese clan of assassins ninjas.

Again, watch the video I posted. It explains everything. ^^
I got something else that has my focus now though, so you do whatever you like.

 

[stokedAF]

Again, watch the video I posted. It explains everything. ^^
I got something else that has my focus now though, so you do whatever you like.

Can’t right now I’m at work but I will check it out later thanks.