mario reid
Noob
Solid plan! What’s your game plan for when they get inside the 443 range and you are out on the defensive? Also you wouldn’t happen to have any spare change tech would ya? (Scratches in crackhead)
Im afraid the plan is hold My breath, b2 , d3 or d4. He really crumbles in close with No reversal cmd grab.
IMO B3 is a really underused but solid tool as it puts you back in the range you want to be at while threatening with a 13f hitbox. If you dial in a bola cancel, the stun from B3 is so long that you can easily hitconfirm the bola for a combo. The only downside is that it can be somewhat inconsistent as some moves can advance on you while slipping under the hitbox.
This is great, now all we need is a variation with his chakram toss and we will be all set.
What would you get rid of?
If you have chakram you dont need bag bomb and it can be replaced with that lure move/command grab/teleport. I am still hoping custom variations become a thing.What would you get rid of?
Vial and air vial is 2 slot, gotta drop bag bomb. Dont think a turnament preset ever Will have vial, air vial, chakram. Sadly.
Maybe if custom variations become a thing in comp
Omg this is JUICY!!!!! I have been ending my corner combos with ji2, 2 1+2 3 for the knockdown and the pushback out of wakeup range so I can resume using 443 to stagger and harass. I will start working on this it’s a dope ass setup!
If you need one thats closer, you are already in 44 range.
Man, they are both comparable to each other. The bombs can offer a lot of resets, and setups that can be +32 on hit and +9 on block and offers a lot more full screen presence if you know your distances and frame data. This variation is not a zoning variation and is not a bomb bag vial combination variation (those setups aren’t real) focus on using the bombs to hit those reset opportunities and you can bet like 50% on one reset for 1 bar! The back in the pack is more straightforward tho and has a powerful mid command grab reversal so it’s also powerful and it’s easier to get wins with.
The bomb resets are extremely overrated. Why am I going to drop up to almost 10% on a combo for a restandnwhen kollector already has top 3 oki in the game?
Cause the character isn’t ALL about oki in both variations. The bomb restand can lead to over 50% for as little as 1 bar. Also for 2 you can bet a solid strike/throw 50/50 that can lead to massive damage. It’s a different way to play for sure and I’m not saying you have to switch but they are both comprable.
Why settle for Oki where I am giving the opponent a bunch of options on wakeup when I can just get my restand and get guaranteed pressure and or mixups that they can't do anything about? That and bomb resets off 443 still do over 30%.
This 100%. As a person who has devoted all of his MK11 time to ONLY Kollector, I can concur that the variation selection depends on matchups. I also, prefer what BitP gives on the majority of matchups but will use Spare Change for specific matchups (ex. Cassies' low shot variation) or when I feel like shaking things up. Personally, I use Up-Mace quite a bit so I miss that when i use SC.
Lol wuuuuuuut!? Kollector oki is nothing special?? Bruh it’s literally one of the best if not the best in the game..
Yeah but in and of itself it doesn't lead to anything. Its just an attack with no pressure. No throw attempt (unless you wanna do it at unsafe distance), lets opponent roll for free, if they just wakeup and block its nothing, zero sum. Versus characters that have legit throw/strike you have to guess pressure its blehhhhh.
Why are you laughing? You literally said it was better primarily because of the restand. The “zoning” is non existent. Bola trades for 30% combos plus utility of teleport shits on anything his projectiles can do. I was just stating why restand resets are a complete non factor.
Lol you obviously haven’t experimented with 44 on knock down enough. 44 actually punishes front rolls so there’s that
I don't think you have either if thats what you are saying. Its effectively impossible for it to get it to punish a wakeup roll after shotel. You are either too close and the forward roll goes behind you(full punish) or they get to forward roll, block the 2nd hit, and get full punish if you tried to create space. Its effectively impossible to reliably create a setup where you can have the active frames on the 2nd hit of 44 to punish a wakeup roll, without still being too close and having the forward roll go behind you, any amount of backing up means you lose your window.
That's why you end in command grab so you can punish forward rolls. You can use b1 to punish rolls after shotel (back up slightly and the timing punishes forward roll, u2, u3).
