J2 b1u3, u3, u3,u3, 1xxslide b112xxiceburg MB, b3 slide. 47% and no wakeup can reach you when they land, so it's purely for damage.
Yeah that's the thing, so many people say Frost's damage is bad, but we're all (myself included) dropping our combos intentionally to continue the vortex. However I love the 41% meterless combo and catch myself sometimes doing it instead of the vortex because if I open them up twice, that's 82% without the use of meter!
This can be done somewhat when you MBFreeze jump back dash forward. The following 3 will cross up, and seems to only be able to be blocked, making the 50/50 involve left and right blocking when you figure out how to get the 3 to NOT cross up. Or you can jump back dash delayed 2. This does not cross up (also a guess) and can be hitconfirmed if they do/ don't block into f113 d1slide frame trap or f113 into f3/mbf3
Yeah, I used to play around with that setup too, the one I posted is just a little more ambiguous imo. You make a good point about f113 as a follow up on block or hit though - I've been using 111 and when it's blocked I try to trait cancel and then cancel the trait into a forward dash immediately. If you're quick enough you have some positive frames to work off of to create more pressure; the problem is it's so hard to time the trait cancel dash properly.
Can you do an u3 instead of a standing 3 in that combo to set up the meterless vortex? What is the damage?
Instead of ending the combo with Slide can you u3 again or does that not link?J2 b1u3, u3, u3,u3, 1xxslide b112xxiceburg MB, b3 slide. 47% and no wakeup can reach you when they land, so it's purely for damage.
Practical because Jump IN 2 is slightly easier to perform, and is more likely to actually catch opponents in a real match (J2 into b1 is high into low, which when you train them to expect j3 (blocked) into f3 can work surprisingly effectively).
No, I don't believe you can reach their falling body with anything other than a slide. A second iceberg won't link in time IIRC. Haven't tested it out in a while though so I could be mistaken.
If I recall, you played in the Aniventure tournament? Good show, brethren.
You can do pretty much anything, u3, 2 xx grab MB. Gotta check the damage tho, will be home shortly. The only problem is the first hit of f113 whiffs on some characters, but you can do 111 instead for 1% less.
So do you think that combo is worth it? It's good damage but would it be better to go for a vortex setup instead?
Oh no no n, like I said earlier, it is your discretion as a KF player whether you go for damage or vortex. The vortex (metered or otherwise) is almost always a better choice but against some characters with autocorrect wakeups like Deathstroke, or side neutral wakeups like Batgirl, if you don't have meter it might be best to go for damage more often than not.
Here is the damage for the different vortex endings:
Yeah this is good, nice work. Great punish into the untechable knockdown for sure. I will probably start mixing this in instead of f113 slide after catching someone with a jump in.
I always thought this combo option was known? I've never tried the 3~iceberg ender though. I did not know that f11~mb.freeze worked.
Great, I hope it leads you to victory!
Yeah its especially good for punishes and with 3 bars 1 wrong guess + throw is all it takes for their life bar
Damn I loooove ending this in the untechable for interactable setups. Already used it in a few matches and a lot of setups pretty much wiped out a life bar.
slide, u3, u3, 2 xx BG, b3, freeze mb, j2 2 - 35%
Sounds great. Gotta try it with most interactables and see the overall dmg.
