Well firstly I realised I didn't even list all the variations but that's probably because I was too tired to remember to add them lol. The reason I wouldn't give him a damage boost is because what would affect Cybernetic could also affect Cutthroat which could boost it to the point where it might be on the nerf radar and we don't want that... That and Cybernetic isn't about getting big damage and sending them back full screen but more about getting that full screen positioning. It's not like he does under 20% damage if he hits, THEN I'd be asking for a damage boost, but as he is he's not supposed to get big damage. I mean ask for buffs all you like but I don't really think he needs them. A character "needing" something is only usually if the character is unviable or low tier and Cybernetic Kano isn't either in my opinion.
I can see problems with Gunslinger and Marksman but Outlaw? Nah. I honestly don't have too much of a problem in this matchup. If you zone them out right then you should have the space control you want most of the match. If you get stuck in the corner you always have EX DB1 or EX BF3 for full combo and full screen positioning again, but of course it's going to be mostly reads there.
Swarm Queen D'Vorah outdamages us, yes, but that's only if she gets in and lands a hit. I've had no problem zoning and spacing out any Swarm Queen D'Vorahs. Whiff punishing her isn't too hard if your spacing is on point either. She can try Vortex Swarm but you really should be relentlessly throwing out knives so that if she does try it you recover in time to block it and she has to hold the knife. You need to throw so many knives that she has to jump because she isn't even able to Vortex Swarm, at which point she's yours for the taking.
Hellfire I won't even think about but I know it's a losing matchup.
Honestly I think Kano Ball startup should be decreased, either that or it should move across the screen faster. We're not really going to get many whiff punishes out of it where it is right now. B2 having less startup sounds good too. Choke should be plus on hit like Mileenas teleport is but maybe not like Erron's Sand Trap was lol. What's wrong with his powerup? I don't get why people keep complaining about it.
Yea I saw lol. The only way they could give Cyber damage buffs without the other two variations being effected would be to adjust scaling on laser and EX Gernade. Still, I'd rather see adjustments to a few Cyber normals and Ball Specials priority than extra damage. Like why can Sonya Arc kick from full screen and have
maximum priority on the kick all the way to the end, but Kano ball can be poked, combo'd, air to air'd,
grabbed, etc? Doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure about everyone else, but I know what I and
@ando1184 propose are more fixes to use than buffs with a few exceptions as far as "needs" go. Like-
"Needs" buff-
Start up on B2 in Cyber. It's just too slow, and for defense purposes land a knife mid screen our B2 follow up can be blown up by some characters. It shouldn't be like that. It should be the ultimate whiff punish/advantage utilizing tool. I can deal with this move having crap priority if it had a few faster frames.
Ball Specials. Hell even if this was just a "Cyber only has more priority on Ball Specials" we'd be happy. For a defensive specialist, it's ridiculous that all the Divekicks have uber priority but our ball specials have none past the initial start up. Being S4 out of Ball and Jip1 out of upball, and grabbed out of airball is insane.
What we consider "fixes" rather than "buffs".
Commando Choke. Lol @ this move is all I can say. Lol.
Command Grabs. They are the core of Commando gameplay and no way should be whiffing and trading in certain situations. It makes me feel like it has Jacqui B2 issues which ended up being patched. Kotal's grab was patched to not whiff. This should be adjusted.
Cutthroat B1. The fact that you can have your opponent in the corner and randomly whiff a B1 OH at times says it all. The hitbox needs to be improved. Kano can be stepping on someone's foot and still whiff this move at times.
Cutthroat Power Up. Yea it needs tweaking. 13.5% is wayyyy too much health to lose if you aren't hit because no one can turn it off in a real match. 8-10% yea, but 13.5 is too much. Now the EX Powerup is worse. It's basically a situational move at best unless you're capable of pulling off 2 frame links 100% of the time. If someone pokes you with a D1 the Powerup is over and you just blew a bar for nothing. So outside of very limited desperation situations you almost never EX it because the potential for wasting a bar is too big.
Those I would say surely "need" to be changed, and is probably less than any character forum has asked for. I don't see a problem with it and while it would make Kano better, in the grand scheme of things not by much. It would just ensure he got some support. I'll talk the MU stuff with you later in the other thread.
I think I'll make an organized list thread that's a little more respectable for everyone to discuss later on.
