kabal video thread

[seoulspirit]

Kabal's Xray catches ghost teleports online :|

 

[Crathen]

From the same night of the other vids:

Kabal vs Johnny Cage

Btw guys i feel like this thread is way too confusional i would gladly make 2 separate threads one for casual matches and another one for combos and Bnb , wich i will update from time to time to keep it smooth , actually i would create a tournament video thread too but i think it's still too early for that , plus we need a moderator sticking important thread like the Kabal frame Data thread and those next video threads so they will always be at hand.

 

[Cat]

Here's some matches between my kabal and showtimes reptile. My kabal needs some work but i think I'm doing good thus far.
Any points or tips would be appreciated.

 

[Krayzie]

Damn, Cat... You're pretty bad at this game.

Nice Videos.

[EDIT] You failed like 3 times, but you got it working!

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[Cat]

Damn, Cat... You're pretty bad at this game.

Nice Videos.

[EDIT] You failed like 3 times, but you got it working!

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Lol. I just started using my kabal again. He's rusty. But he will get better no doubt. I'm thinking of using him at devestation if I make it.

Haha I know. I was uploading and doing everything from my phone :/

 

[Saltea Moonspell]

That Kabal is tight. You should learn to link the AGB (AA) into spin on reaction. That 2xspin in the juggle is pretty much useless.

 

[GGA soonk]

End with f4 more often. Stop putting yourself in corner when opponent has breaker(or ever, really, but noticed you did that twice.
Iagb seems somewhat less useful on reptile due to smaller hitbox and he doesn't really need to jump anyways.

 

[Saltea Moonspell]

I agree with you bro 100%.

 

[Cat]

Yeah I know I failed to link dashes afte iafb but most of the time I hit them. And the double dash ended is something I been working on. IRS really tricky and most ppl don't see it coming at all. We had just played a lot so he knew my set ups and knew to switch his wake up inputs. I 90% of the time end with knee but I was just trying to see some options. It's only casuals after all you have to try out new things that will work.

 

[Demonfang10]

You need to invest alot of time in training mode if you want to use him in devestation, I wouldn't go as far as to say you suck but you are pretty rusty. Practice your iagb into spin and the block trap just to be safe and you should make it far.

 

[Cat]

You need to invest alot of time in training mode if you want to use him in devestation, I wouldn't go as far as to say you suck but you are pretty rusty. Practice your iagb into spin and the block trap just to be safe and you should make it far.

I'm very rusty with him! I was even surprised I got a won michalengelo during Evo casuals. Anyways I will work on him some more

 

[GamerBlake90]

Kabal's 41% Wall Combo with three Enhance Bars used:

And before anybody asks - no, it isn't worth burning the meter for this combo. This just shows another sign of how hard Kabal has to work to even get past 40% damage. Understandable given his tier level and abilities, but still crazy.

 

[GamerBlake90]

Kabal's 27-hit, 42% Wall Combo with X-ray included:

Now THIS is downright ridiculous for all that work Kabal put in, wouldn't you say?

 

[Crathen]

Well Kabals damage is fine since he has great tools , and btw Kabal can do 42% meterless in the corner easily ( Jip , b121 , NJP , 2 , 2 , f4 ND ( grounded ) , crossover jip , b121 , b121 , b121 , f4 Ndc 42% into reset or 44% with Xray ) , flashy combo tho!

 

[GamerBlake90]

Kabal's 51% Wall Combo with X-ray included:

 

[circle masher]

As I said in the comments for that 42% combo video: no, that scaling isn't ridiculous, it's completely appropriate. The reason that combo and other similar ones scale to around that peak is because for a seasoned Kabal player they are fairly easy. To talk about combos like that suffering from ridiculous scaling as if they're demanding in the first place is an insult to the amazing work Doc has put in with his Kabal combo videos. Try HIS combos and then tell me that your 42% is worth any more. (It isn't.)

 

[MagicMan357]

the only think i hate about kabals damage is you would thinkEX ghastball would give him a damage boost but aye

 

[circle masher]

Well Kabals damage is fine since he has great tools , and btw Kabal can do 42% meterless in the corner easily ( Jip , b121 , NJP , 2 , 2 , f4 ND ( grounded ) , crossover jip , b121 , b121 , b121 , f4 Ndc 42% into reset or 44% with Xray ) , flashy combo tho!

Nice to see somebody else say this. Kabal's scaling is totally fine and makes perfect sense. If people want more damage out of Kabal they should put true hard work in like Doc has.

 

[GamerBlake90]

Guys, chill out for a bit...

What I was only saying is that, while I understand Kabal's damage scaling being what it is given his package of abilities, it just feels like he got fucked out of a reward for working up a long-ass wall combo. I wouldn't mind if it doesn't go above 50%, I just feel something along the lines of 45%-50% would make sense for the 27-hit combo I shared. A cardinal rule I've gotten used to is that the more work you put in, the more you get rewarded.

I never said Kabal's damage scaling shouldn't be low. If they want to keep it low, good, that's perfectly fine. After all, with the ability to pressure with a lightning-fast Dash Cancel and a good amount of zoning tools, it does make perfect sense. But when you work your ass off to integrate so many hits into one combo and get stuck with mediocre damage even after throwing an X-ray in...kinda makes you think, "WTF?"

Simplest solution to this is just to avoid using meter, I know. But right now, my videos aren't meant to showcase practical combos. I work hard going for the impressive ones, it's not like I'm going around saying, "Hey, this combo is awesome, use it in a fight!" No, that's not my aim. What I'm aiming to do is further explore the capabilities of each character and maybe give other people some ideas.

And I'm gonna come off as ignorant, but I haven't heard of this "Doc" fellow you're referring to, circle masher, so I didn't know about his video. My own fault there, I haven't browsed these forums often lately and I'm trying to change that.

Downsides to me not being a Kabal player is not knowing everything about this character...so as you can see, I never proclaimed to be an expert with him. I'm just giving some of my first impressions. I'm sure my opinions will change when I start maining Kabal in these recent days.

 

[circle masher]

What I was only saying is that, while I understand Kabal's damage scaling being what it is given his package of abilities, it just feels like he got fucked out of a reward for working up a long-ass wall combo.

His reward is a reset in to a blockstring that grants an extra 2/3%, builds meter and drops the opponent back in to Kabal's horrendous mix-up game. All for no meter and no threat of the opponent being able to bust you open with an invincible wakeup attack.

I wouldn't mind if it doesn't go above 50%, I just feel something along the lines of 45%-50% would make sense for the 27-hit combo I shared. A cardinal rule I've gotten used to is that the more work you put in, the more you get rewarded.

It does about 45% if you include the block damage the opponent is forced to eat at the end. And as I said above, Kabal's rewards are off the charts with how good they are. The nature of Kabal is to play on a razor's edge, constantly chipping away at your opponent's energy bar over time. To play Kabal is to want to constantly wear the opponent down over time, that's just how he's designed. He's like having your head in a vice which is being tightened in small increments.

Simplest solution to this is just to avoid using meter, I know. But right now, my videos aren't meant to showcase practical combos. I work hard going for the impressive ones, it's not like I'm going around saying, "Hey, this combo is awesome, use it in a fight!" No, that's not my aim. What I'm aiming to do is further explore the capabilities of each character and maybe give other people some ideas.

And I'm gonna come off as ignorant, but I haven't heard of this "Doc" fellow you're referring to, circle masher, so I didn't know about his video. My own fault there, I haven't browsed these forums often lately and I'm trying to change that.

Well Kabal relies on his meter for the threat of EX Dash which is a obviously a fantastic move in itself and you'll know all about.

But going back to the point about no. hits in a combo vs damage output, that's the trick of Kabal: as I said before, to use Kabal in a fight is very demanding of your execution and situational awareness. But... if/when you're using Kabal frequently in fights and doing okay with him, you'll realise that most 35-40% midscreen and corner combos are actually pretty easy and you'll do them on autopilot - should Kabal be rewarded for combos that are actually fairly easy once you settle in to Kabal's groove? Hell no, those BnBs which don't go beyond 42% are easy and I think 42% is totally appropriate. As you've discovered yourself, Kabal can beat the 42/43% cap if you try hard enough, it's just a case of putting TRUE effort in. Kabal's truly advanced combos are a totally different beast, which is why even 99% of Kabal specialists don't go near them (and the only people that stick with Kabal are specialists).

No worries that you haven't heard of Doc, this is his YT channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBringerOfSadness. Doc fights in Chilean tournaments as DoctrineDark. Check out his combo videos and tournament matches, there's something to learn from all of them.

Downsides to me not being a Kabal player is not knowing everything about this character...so as you can see, I never proclaimed to be an expert with him. I'm just giving some of my first impressions. I'm sure my opinions will change when I start maining Kabal in these recent days.

That's cool. Mud&Cigs' "Kaballing" thread is a great starting point to learn how to traditionally use him in a match. Once you're up to speed with him, I think you should take a leaf out of Doc's book and try to work more of Kabal's truly advanced combos in to your play, sounds like it would be your cup of tea.

 

[GamerBlake90]

Kabal's 51% ONLINE Wall Combo with X-ray included:

 

[AC1984]

I'm opened to ideas and critique for better results.....I also drop shit load of stuff....sorry..

 

[Qwark28]

was his stick broken?heard him say that there's something wrong with block.

didn't see it all but will do later,looks awesome from the first few minutes,fast paced.

 

[K7L33THA]

Good stuff dude. Enjoyed the matches.

 

[BigMilk]

Great matches man!!