Match-up Discussion Joker Matchup Discussion

[Qwark28]

Won't the MB F3 just get absorbed by his armor during the special moves with venum?

do it a little late and youre just fine

 

[StevoSuprem0]

do it a little late and youre just fine

Is there a window where the armor doesn't apply to the double punch anymore? Otherwise it seems like the mb f3 would either get hit twice and thus beat out, or would hit him during his armor while he is still coming with the second punch. Seems like a lose/lose unless bane's venum armor stops being present during his special move for some reason.

 

[Qwark28]

Is there a window where the armor doesn't apply to the double punch anymore? Otherwise it seems like the mb f3 would either get hit twice and thus beat out, or would hit him during his armor while he is still coming with the second punch. Seems like a lose/lose unless bane's venum armor stops being present during his special move for some reason.

Second punch only comes out on hit, MB F3 armoured state is not considered a hit and the armour wears off as soon as he touches you.

 

[StevoSuprem0]

Second punch only comes out on hit, MB F3 armoured state is not considered a hit and the armour wears off as soon as he touches you.

Ahhhh didn't know that getting hit during armor wasn't considered a hit. Awesome . I still think parry has some applicability in that situation since it deals with double punch AND uppercut, but it's debatable. Need to test it out.

 

[Qwark28]

Ahhhh didn't know that getting hit during armor wasn't considered a hit. Awesome . I still think parry has some applicability in that situation since it deals with double punch AND uppercut, but it's debatable. Need to test it out.

You're still relying on tight whch can fail and allow him to pressure you when you could be getting a juicy combo.

 

[OnlineRon91]

Let's not outright deny parry as an option. All options mentioned above are still beatable by Bane if you are being predictable. It is a legit wake-up option against Bane that can be intertwined with our other wake-up options.

 

[Qwark28]

I didn't say it wasn't legit, just that there are better options on a read.

 

[OnlineRon91]

As long as you have the meter for it, which is also something to consider.

 

[StevoSuprem0]

I didn't say it wasn't legit, just that there are better options on a read.

What would you do to uppercut on read?

 

[Qwark28]

What would you do to uppercut on read?

late mb f3

d2 if venomless

or d1 crowbar if no meter

 

[StevoSuprem0]

late mb f3

d2 if venomless

or d1 crowbar if no meter

But you don't have to hitconfirm into venum uppercut MB, it still works on block. And they're pretty much all doing that now because it's safe and the hitbox lasts for days.

 

[Qwark28]

But you don't have to hitconfirm into venum uppercut MB, it still works on block. And they're pretty much all doing that now because it's safe and the hitbox lasts for days.

its not safe

DP, body press and venom uppercut all have different timing, mess up with one of those and youre being pressured

meanwhile all of those lose to MB f3

 

[StevoSuprem0]

I'm pretty sure it's safe when blocked, but I'll have to test it when I get home.

 

[OnlineRon91]

If Bane does d3, he can hit you out of anything outside of invincible wake-up attacks. If he has venom on, he can hit you out of those moves as well, except for Super.

So it is worth knowing the different times of knockdowns Bane does and what your options are, as Body Press will let you do the above mentioned wake-ups (MB b3/f3, Character Power, etc)

 

[Qwark28]

I'm pretty sure it's safe when blocked, but I'll have to test it when I get home.

its not safe, ive made 4 vids on it.

 

[OnlineRon91]

Yea it isn't safe but Joker can't really punish it for big damage. The only consistent punish we will be able to get out of it is a d1 xx Crowbar which is 10-16% but at least you get a knockdown out of it.

 

[StevoSuprem0]

Yea it isn't safe but Joker can't really punish it for big damage. The only consistent punish we will be able to get out of it is a d1 xx Crowbar which is 10-16% but at least you get a knockdown out of it.

Oh hey, look at that, a descriptive response. Fancy that.

 

[Qwark28]

Oh hey, look at that, a descriptive response. Fancy that.

ass

 

[StevoSuprem0]

ass

 

[Qwark28]

Just updating, testing some new tech I found which apparently you can't roll out of and is not a 50/50 but a full blown reset.

TESTING.

 

[Qwark28]

This is so sweet, you can't wake up, you can't backdash or forward dash, I NEED TO TEST THIS MORE

 

[OnlineRon91]

So it's not an OTG either? Sounds interesting

 

[Qwark28]

ok, from some early testing

needs to be backdashed on specific timing

matchup specific, some wakeups i ASSUME hit him out of it and some he safejumps

the bnb is 42%, has insane meter building and if they tech roll + backdash thats half a screen of wallcarry

this will be our new bnb

ive only tested this with a single particular J3 timing, need to test different timings and J2

 

[OnlineRon91]

Well what ya waiting for? Post it here so I can test it out before I head out to take my midterm lmao

 

[Qwark28]

Well what ya waiting for? Post it here so I can test it out before I head out to take my midterm lmao

uploading vid right now