Match-up Discussion JimmyPotato Arrow Pre "Big Patch" Match Chart

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

well let's run some matches tonight if you're on

I'd love games.

@ AKLordof theFly and 7L

Do you guys play on XBL or PSN? I only play on PSN and would like to mirror you guys some times or even just play other MU's. That is, if you're both on PSN.

I'm on Xbl.

 

[RM Truth]

I can no longer comment on Arrow match up numbers as I do not play this character anymore. This thread has made it obvious to all, that I am Batshit crazy. Arrow players you need to direct your questions to this man now. He will show you the light. Peace I'm out, It's been fun Ollie.

So who's the man now?

 

[Jimmypotato]

So who's the man now?

lol I was just joking around because 7L thinks Arrow Superman is 5-5, and I think that is insanity.

 

[Derocus]

Wait. Do you all actually think Garrow's bad against Batman?
Have you heard of the move 'Sky Alert'?
Think I'll make a little video demonstrating it's delicious goodness.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Wait. Do you all actually think Garrow's bad against Batman?
Have you heard of the move 'Sky Alert'?
Think I'll make a little video demonstrating it's delicious goodness.

lol, I don't think, I know. But you do what you like, videos are nice. If you are thinking of saying you do skyalert when he J2's you, well what about when he is sending Bat Trait at you ever single time he jump 2s, should I sky alert there and get hit by the combo or take the chance blocking it properly and maybe getting a push block in?

 

[Jimmypotato]

FOREVER KING what are your thoughts on the Batman vs Arrow match up? No need to post a number or anything, I just want some thoughts on it and stuff, since I know you know it and have played it before.

 

[Derocus]

lol, I don't think, I know. But you do what you like, videos are nice. If you are thinking of saying you do skyalert when he J2's you, well what about when he is sending Bat Trait at you ever single time he jump 2s, should I sky alert there and get hit by the combo or take the chance blocking it properly and maybe getting a push block in?

Oh, no. Never skyalert when he's got bats out.
Thing is, most Batmans do a string and when they see it gets blocked they either go for a crossover, or a backdash.
When they jump over you can get them with a sky alert and then combo that sucka.
If they backdash, ice arrow them.
Although, this is mostly reads and not on reaction.

 

[RM Truth]

Oh, no. Never skyalert when he's got bats out.
Thing is, most Batmans do a string and when they see it gets blocked they either go for a crossover, or a backdash.
When they jump over you can get them with a sky alert and then combo that sucka.
If they backdash, ice arrow them.
Although, this is mostly reads and not on reaction.

That's hella risky, and if you guess wrong, you're eating a full combo punish.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Oh, no. Never skyalert when he's got bats out.
Thing is, most Batmans do a string and when they see it gets blocked they either go for a crossover, or a backdash.
When they jump over you can get them with a sky alert and then combo that sucka.
If they backdash, ice arrow them.
Although, this is mostly reads and not on reaction.

yah for sure if they are habitual cross up J2'rs lol, but yah I don't have a problem with that, The problem is good batmans with good "batmanagment" always have a bat, and know how to use there meter burn with there batarangs and trait to keep you in hell to the point when you do get in they are still at advantage, good batmans don't wait for 3 bats to come back before they bring em out, it's one out the second it is charged up.

 

[ForeverKing]

FOREVER KING what are your thoughts on the Batman vs Arrow match up? No need to post a number or anything, I just want some thoughts on it and stuff, since I know you know it and have played it before.

I think Batman wins for sure, he beats Arrow up close and full screen as well. My trait and batarangs will beat your fire arrows from full screen, and upclose a good Batman rushdown won't let you breathe. But Arrow definitely isn't out of the fight, with 60% super combos and what not. I might give it 7-3 Batman, maybe 6.5-3.5

 

[7L]

I think Batman wins for sure, he beats Arrow up close and full screen as well. My trait and batarangs will beat your fire arrows from full screen, and upclose a good Batman rushdown won't let you breathe. But Arrow definitely isn't out of the fight, with 60% super combos and what not. I might give it 7-3 Batman, maybe 6.5-3.5

Agreed, batman shuts arrow down from full screen and close range. His has a very good pressure game. From playing dartharma, I feel that this MU is really in his favor. Chris G beat him 5-0 but that's just chris. It's tough, arrow has to work an uphill battle the whole way

 

[ando1184]

Based on everything that keeps getting brought up by us about GA MU's, is it safe to say that the numbers posted about characters like Bane, Grundy Batman, etc will change? Some of these are 4-6's and by the details that keep getting brought up, I think GA suffers a lot more than initially thought???

 

[ForeverKing]

Agreed, batman shuts arrow down from full screen and close range. His has a very good pressure game. From playing dartharma, I feel that this MU is really in his favor. Chris G beat him 5-0 but that's just chris. It's tough, arrow has to work an uphill battle the whole way

I beat Chris g 5-0. But I guess I am just Forever King lol

 

[Scoot Magee]

I would say it's 6-4 batman as of now. From my experience matches like Black Adam, Superman and Lex are a lot harder.

 

[7L]

I beat Chris g 5-0. But I guess I am just Forever King lol

The game is still new. At sj you played godlike against ga. And scoot, I personally like the superman mu compared to the batman. Its really not that bad. But I guess its an honest opinion. Same way I was with kitana kabal. Probably 6 4 but I like to think of it as ways around everything.

Im going to run more sets with fran at tfc. Hopefully clear up some things about the mu and what ga has to do but i could be wrong.

green arrow #1 upplayer and down player right here...

 

[7L]

lol I was just joking around because 7L thinks Arrow Superman is 5-5, and I think that is insanity.

Fine I'll be reasonable and say 6 4 -_- for his damage output. But im still solid on me saying he beats grundy...
Mikemetroid

 

[Mikemetroid]

Green Arrow beats Grundy. He is very mobile and can easily react to, punish, and humiliate Grundy in the process.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Green Arrow beats Grundy. He is very mobile and can easily react to, punish, and humiliate Grundy in the process.

I could maybe go 5-5 on Grundy if he couldn't do 80% with 1 bar. But yes he does have to hit you, but he will hit you, WC cancels make this a for sure.

I beat Chris g 5-0. But I guess I am just Forever King lol

lmfao

I think Batman wins for sure, he beats Arrow up close and full screen as well. My trait and batarangs will beat your fire arrows from full screen, and upclose a good Batman rushdown won't let you breathe. But Arrow definitely isn't out of the fight, with 60% super combos and what not. I might give it 7-3 Batman, maybe 6.5-3.5

This, Ya'll Arrows need to play ForeverKings Batman, then tell me your thoughts on the situation

 

[Mikemetroid]

Jimmypotato Damage huh? You mean like how GA builds a shit ton of meter and does super resets all the time?
He can NOT do 80% with 1 bar.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Jimmypotato Damage huh? You mean like how GA builds a shit ton of meter and does super resets all the time?
He can NOT do 80% with 1 bar.

Corner Combos Bro, He can do the amount of damage Arrow does with his super with one bar midscreen. All arrow can do is Savage Blast Walking Corpse to make it wiff, you can't shoot arrows because of armor, you cant jump because of the AA grab and D2, and you can't shoot from long range because of the Armor on MB Swamp Hands. Green Arrow gets super once a match.

Grundy can WC after Blocked D1 and blow up any "50/50" Arrow options. So I guess if you can manage to go the whole match just hitting him with Savage blast and hope he doesn't WC cancel into another WC to blow up that Savage blast, then yah, it could mean Arrow wins.

 

[Scoot Magee]

The game is still new. At sj you played godlike against ga. And scoot, I personally like the superman mu compared to the batman. Its really not that bad. But I guess its an honest opinion. Same way I was with kitana kabal. Probably 6 4 but I like to think of it as ways around everything.

Im going to run more sets with fran at tfc. Hopefully clear up some things about the mu and what ga has to do but i could be wrong.

green arrow #1 upplayer and down player right here...

I have a pretty good grasp on the Superman match up also. It's probably one of the match ups I played more than anything. There's situations where GA can exploit like back dash d1 ice against f23 but it's not easy when they know about it.Really the risk reward there is in Supermans favor big time.

The thing most Superman players do bad (against GA at least) is burn meter. I think he should always hold onto super. GA can compete with Supermans zoning but if he has super you're fucked.

Footsie range it's very hard to compete with Superman, meter or not. This is where Superman should be for the beginning of the match imo. F23 has that insane range, great speed, great recovery and is very hard to whiff on GA. GA's f2 is slower and covers less range, not to mention is extremely punishable on whiff. Arrows help in footsie range but it takes way more work and superman will take the lead with 1 good hit. Once he gets the lead and meter it's ggpo GA.

Again I can't stress how important super is in that match. It locks pretty much everything GA has. Superman can just do whatever he want's. The fucked up thing is how fast Superman gains meter.

 

[7L]

Scoot Magee db3 on block. 5%chip and 1/3 bar. damn it supes.

Superman can't shoot brain dead air lasers either in the mu. but I agree. If he has super, loading a naked arrow means punished. They should give us the infinite vs superman back

 

[Scoot Magee]

Scoot Magee db3 on block. 5%chip and 1/3 bar. damn it supes.

Superman can't shoot brain dead air lasers either in the mu. but I agree. If he has super, loading a naked arrow means punished. They should give us the infinite vs superman back

Even shooting an arrow is a punish on reaction. Not like there's an input buffer on supers lol. It's really fucked up imo.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Jimmypotato Damage huh? You mean like how GA builds a shit ton of meter and does super resets all the time?
He can NOT do 80% with 1 bar.

Actually he can do 80% with power chain using the background bounce combo's

GA struggles.... he can be all zippy he wants.... but every trade is in grundy's favor.
GA combo is just giving Grundy MORE options to touch him up for 50% everytime.

If he is saving for the Super crap.... he isn't MB B3 WC and other things that he should be.

c'mon now..... GA is just cannon fodder

 

[Karnage]

sky alert definitely does NOT make the batman match any easier. for one green arrow loses full screen so in theory a batman doesnt even need to get in close. and 2...what batmans are going to keep on jumping and going into sky alert?? anyways most of the time they wont come and jump into you without trait so yeah...fun