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Denny

Noob
Her main Struggles are:

Overall Bottom Tier Frame Data
  • Where other Characters will be Safe, Jade gets Full Combo Punished.
  • Every Single Move she has comes with a Huge Caveat, a Couple of Bugs and Then Some.
  • She Whiffs. A lot. And this will Cost you the Match enough times to Tear Your Hair Out.
  • Her Projectiles start-up So Slowly that Most Characters can Beat Her Out On Reaction. BF1 is Literally Not Worth Using outside of B1/B2 Scenarios because you Set Yourself Up for a Full Combo Punish or Teleport / Advancing Move crush.
Bad Forward Movement
  • Walking Away from Jade and Neutral Ducking is a Perfectly Valid Strategy.
  • Against Jaded, you have to be Extra Careful, but Vault is Reactable and leads to No Damage or Setup Anyway.
No / Situational / Poor Damage

At the End of the Day, Jade is still Bottom Tier.
Possibly Bottom 1 now that Shao is In The Game.
 
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Her main Struggles are:

Overall Bottom Tier Frame Data
  • Where other Characters will be Safe, Jade gets Full Combo Punished.
  • Every Single Move she has comes with a Huge Caveat, a Couple of Bugs and Then Some.
  • She Whiffs. A lot. And this will Cost you the Match enough times to Tear Your Hair Out.
  • Her Projectiles start-up So Slowly that Most Characters can Beat Her Out On Reaction. BF1 is Literally Not Worth Using outside of B1/B2 Scenarios because you Set Yourself Up for a Full Combo Punish or Teleport / Advancing Move crush.
Bad Forward Movement
  • Walking Away from Jade and Neutral Ducking is a Perfectly Valid Strategy.
  • Against Jaded, you have to be Extra Careful, but Vault is Reactable and leads to No Damage or Setup Anyway.
No / Situational / Poor Damage

At the End of the Day, Jade is still Bottom Tier.
Possibly Bottom 1 now that Shao is In The Game.
BINGO.....I was replaying the story last night and couldn't get over how GOOD some of the other characters felt playing. I have not played other characters even if they are good because I'm a character loyalist. I've been saying for awhile her forward range is actually not that good. On paper it should be with back back 2 and forward 2. Those moves just aren't reliable enough though. Like you said .....neutral ducking against Jade is a very effective strategy......and then just having to be mindful of the slowest overhead in the game.......which will get her fully punished. Her regular razor rang as you said just is garbage.....to slow to be a real projectile and trying to use the plus frames to your advantage will just get you poked out of it. More neutral ducking against her that's very effective. I was playing against a KKotal a few days ago and was trying to create space by using her regular razor rang and he just kept dashing up and using whatever that long ranged combo he has is and was hitting me before the razor came back around her body after the initial wind up. So completely frustrating. I like playing Jaded because Emerald defender is more tedious and boring to me but at this point I feel like I've learned all I can about the Jaded variation and there still isn't a good strategy. In recent months I've definitely increasingly taken a lot more breaks in playing this game. I can't play every day because it's very frustrating. I was really hoping this patch was going to do something amazing for her and surprise me but it's the same old story. I guess she is destined to be at the very bottom in this game.
 

Denny

Noob
BINGO.....I was replaying the story last night and couldn't get over how GOOD some of the other characters felt playing. I have not played other characters even if they are good because I'm a character loyalist. I've been saying for awhile her forward range is actually not that good. On paper it should be with back back 2 and forward 2. Those moves just aren't reliable enough though. Like you said .....neutral ducking against Jade is a very effective strategy......and then just having to be mindful of the slowest overhead in the game.......which will get her fully punished. Her regular razor rang as you said just is garbage.....to slow to be a real projectile and trying to use the plus frames to your advantage will just get you poked out of it. More neutral ducking against her that's very effective. I was playing against a KKotal a few days ago and was trying to create space by using her regular razor rang and he just kept dashing up and using whatever that long ranged combo he has is and was hitting me before the razor came back around her body after the initial wind up. So completely frustrating. I like playing Jaded because Emerald defender is more tedious and boring to me but at this point I feel like I've learned all I can about the Jaded variation and there still isn't a good strategy. In recent months I've definitely increasingly taken a lot more breaks in playing this game. I can't play every day because it's very frustrating. I was really hoping this patch was going to do something amazing for her and surprise me but it's the same old story. I guess she is destined to be at the very bottom in this game.
Yeah there is a Thread that says Fujin Dog Shit.
We need to make a Video about Why Jade Is Dog Shit.
Except it would NOT be 44 minutes. It would be 44 Hours.
 

variable

Noob
With the changes to ip girl, I saw someone follow up with 4, b2, nitro kick instead of 21, b2, nitro... But it's incredibly hard to hit. Does anyone have any advice or notes? It's ten more damage, not amazing but it's the principle hehe, I just want to be able to execute it and it feels almost impossible. Thanks for any advice anyone has.
 

Espio

Savage & Sassy
Lead Moderator
With the changes to ip girl, I saw someone follow up with 4, b2, nitro kick instead of 21, b2, nitro... But it's incredibly hard to hit. Does anyone have any advice or notes? It's ten more damage, not amazing but it's the principle hehe, I just want to be able to execute it and it feels almost impossible. Thanks for any advice anyone has.
I don't have any tips but if you drop the combo due to inconsistency you're losing more than 1% damage. It's all balance and context.

If you're playing competitively it's better to do what is reliable and consistent in order to win.
 

Espio

Savage & Sassy
Lead Moderator
So thankfully Jade seems like she does really well against all the DLC so far.

Most challenging seems to be Sheeva, but that still feels 5-5. I think Robocop is super straightforward as a match up since we win the zoning and keep/win up close it's a pretty open/shut case and he has to approach which he isn't good at.

I've played against Fujin probably the least, but it feels pretty comfortable.


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You always show me things I never knew I wanted!!!

That skin would be perfect with her human skin and the bun. I'd definitely put it to good use. NRS better make that money cause good grief these edits are gorgeous.
 

Espio

Savage & Sassy
Lead Moderator
How so? Doesn't Jaded counter her completely at every range?
No she doesn't.

Sheeva has an excellent wave dave, great oki and Jade's wake ups aren't particularly good. Sheeva checks her walk back with sweep and sweep also checks all of Jade's staff normals on block and then Sheeva starts her oki on her. Jade either blocks after you block her back 2 or you eat her sweep and it's game on.

Emerald Defender for example in order to zone has to utilize slow recovery projectiles or ones that require her to jump which allows telestomp to be more viable against her that other characters. Only reason why Jade doesn't outright lose is she has a good mid and down 4. If Sheeva players utilize their tools properly which I see almost never happen other than from players like Yoaks or what not she shouldn't have any major issues with Jade beyond universal things.

Sheeva is a character I use a lot so I lab these match ups for her and her options. That wave dash also means you cannot keep her out if the Sheeva is smart. Sometimes you have to walk back and concede the neutral game and do what you're good at.

I don't see most of the issues Sheeva players harp on because most of them have very real, very easy work arounds. Only real flaw she has is her low pokes aren't super stellar, but down 4 is underrated and seems like it can low profile some attacks.

I haven't come across really any match ups that feel terrible. Frost feels fine, Geras, Jacqui, Johnny.....Cetrion feels kind of gross but Cetrion is like that for many characters.
 
No she doesn't.

Sheeva has an excellent wave dave, great oki and Jade's wake ups aren't particularly good. Sheeva checks her walk back with sweep and sweep also checks all of Jade's staff normals on block and then Sheeva starts her oki on her. Jade either blocks after you block her back 2 or you eat her sweep and it's game on.

Emerald Defender for example in order to zone has to utilize slow recovery projectiles or ones that require her to jump which allows telestomp to be more viable against her that other characters. Only reason why Jade doesn't outright lose is she has a good mid and down 4. If Sheeva players utilize their tools properly which I see almost never happen other than from players like Yoaks or what not she shouldn't have any major issues with Jade beyond universal things.

Sheeva is a character I use a lot so I lab these match ups for her and her options. That wave dash also means you cannot keep her out if the Sheeva is smart. Sometimes you have to walk back and concede the neutral game and do what you're good at.

I don't see most of the issues Sheeva players harp on because most of them have very real, very easy work arounds. Only real flaw she has is her low pokes aren't super stellar, but down 4 is underrated and seems like it can low profile some attacks.

I haven't come across really any match ups that feel terrible. Frost feels fine, Geras, Jacqui, Johnny.....Cetrion feels kind of gross but Cetrion is like that for many characters.
I like using Jaded against Sheeva. I dont have an awful lot of experience with sheeva because I 've been playing the game less and didn't buy the new characters. When sheeva players wan't to spam the unblockable stomp I just keep using the pole vault to run full screen since you can burn a significant amount of time continuing to run even when she delays.....then you hit the amplify button and kick her which is really fun.
 

Zviko

Noob
No she doesn't.

Sheeva has an excellent wave dave, great oki and Jade's wake ups aren't particularly good. Sheeva checks her walk back with sweep and sweep also checks all of Jade's staff normals on block and then Sheeva starts her oki on her. Jade either blocks after you block her back 2 or you eat her sweep and it's game on.

Emerald Defender for example in order to zone has to utilize slow recovery projectiles or ones that require her to jump which allows telestomp to be more viable against her that other characters. Only reason why Jade doesn't outright lose is she has a good mid and down 4. If Sheeva players utilize their tools properly which I see almost never happen other than from players like Yoaks or what not she shouldn't have any major issues with Jade beyond universal things.

Sheeva is a character I use a lot so I lab these match ups for her and her options. That wave dash also means you cannot keep her out if the Sheeva is smart. Sometimes you have to walk back and concede the neutral game and do what you're good at.

I don't see most of the issues Sheeva players harp on because most of them have very real, very easy work arounds. Only real flaw she has is her low pokes aren't super stellar, but down 4 is underrated and seems like it can low profile some attacks.

I haven't come across really any match ups that feel terrible. Frost feels fine, Geras, Jacqui, Johnny.....Cetrion feels kind of gross but Cetrion is like that for many characters.
She still forces you to play V3 because she has a counter for every single V1 ability.