Deleted my original because I felt it was too long, but I still believe everything I said. If you genuinely believe that using f2 in the neutral is a good idea then I don't know what to say really. It is 19 frames and 34 on recovery. As I say, the people I play against react to it all the time... Also f2 low chakram? 10% and +1 on hit??? and 29% off the f3 mixup... I was just pointing out the risk reward with THAT mixup. Backdashing after shaolin drop puts you slightly - and still in range of most forward advancing mids (e.g Laos' f2) so I personally wouldn't advise doing that. Do not tell me empty upkicks are 50/50's LOL. Online or playing someone who doesn't know the MU... maybe, but that is gimmicky. Why would I judge the character on how Dink played against it? I didn't know we looked at tiers by how some players dealt with the character. Seems to me like you are judging some of these tools from the perspective of playing people that can't react to the oh, and can't react to empty upkicks... JS. Also, what 27% meterless are you getting in the corner? (not f2d1 divekick or njp I mean)
They're Scrub-Zero players, what would you expect from GM mains?lol
Up kick is -7 on block, drop is -7 on block. If they anticipate the other you are free to d1. You don't know that tho.
Exactly what this guy said. Soooo solid but just not quite S tier
Jax has to take some risks. If you are going to get good damage off his overhead options. Same with kotal. Kitana is safe but has to go for armoured counter pokes to get any real offense going. Kano lacks range on his 50/50s but yes he is pretty safe and quan w/o meter is pretty risky. Tanya you have a point with. The thing about Jin is he is plus off of his chakram against several characters , f243 is hot confirmable if he doesn't have meter and is all of -5 off his back 213. His anti zoning is also very safe with shaolin drop neon relatively safe
It isn't about anticipating, it is about reacting. It is not a 50/50 lol, get that out of your head. If you back dash, you are slightly -. They do not have to respect b1 or the (reactable) f2. Why the hell would I care who you are lol, stop bigging yourself up. I don't space with a 19 frame move that is death on whiff... sorry. Jump back 1 in the corner is good and same goes for walkback, but backdash is not.
optimal is starter xx ex chakram: njp, stand 4 xx up arrow, 34, divekick, 34 xx upkick shaolin drop as far as I know. Quite hard to do, but viable.
In corner
We should play
I'd love to, but you're NA on PS4 right? Cause unfortunately I'm EU.
Obviously you haven't played the beta lol. If I can react to subs 17 frame overhead you can react to Kung jins
You are not reacting to Subs OH you are making a read
Read my post above. I don't know why everyone fights over this "reactable" and "not reactable" shit among eachother so often on these forums. It changes per person, and despite popular belief, not everyone is average when it comes to reaction speeds. I don't know what several pros reaction speeds are, so I'll just use one I know. Bjergsen from LoL had a reaction speed of 190ms (when I used to follow league), aka 11.4 frames.
If its an average person's reaction, then its fair to use that as a basis. Correct?
As a basis, yes. Calling people out because there's absolutely no way someone can react to it... Hell no. Its safe to say its "hard to react" to Sub's overhead. Thats not saying no one can do it. Same goes for Kung Jin. I wrote above though, a big thing is early frame tells and Kung Jin's OH and Low both look very similar on the first few frames making it much more difficult to react to.
Lol you are such a Ninja
That's fair.
But saying react is different in different games. We can easily react to about 15 frames if you're talking about a dot that changes colour. Seeing and correctly blocking a 50/50 is different entirely. There is no-one in this community that can see a 17 frame overhead and block it every single time... Never mind a 15 frame overhead lol.
