Paulo mentioned in the VSM chat that "every character is having something done to them except for CSZ".
Also CSZ's slide and Sub-Zero's slide are different. CSZ's slide is way more punishable on whiff and on block. I also heard they are increasing Sub-Zero's speed during his enhanced slide as well... By the looks of it, Sub-Zero is going to be more of a problem to beat than Kabal after patch. Thinking probably 8-2.
I can barely beat Tom's Sub as it is. We play for hours and usually for every 10 games, he wins 7 and I win 3. With this SUPER armor buff on his slide(yes super armor, not just regular) and speed increase, he will be able to blow through pressure situations easily and reverse corner situations. It takes so much work to even have CSZ in a good Sub-Zero's face pressuring that this is such a huge blow.
Wait a minute, I just saw this. Cyber Sub's slide is more punishable on whiff AND on block? I tried testing it, but it was so ambiguous that I honestly couldn't tell if there was a difference one way or another. It looks like his hitbox is bigger, but even that was hard to be sure of.
I do think it's kind of retarded if everyone but him is getting some kind of change, because no matter what, everyone in this game could be improved. I'd be hesitant to say anyone really "needs" it, but look at Cyber Sub's F2 2 1, for instance: It's slow as fuck, but there would actually be some reason to use that string (in the corner, at the very least) if it had
any amount of advantage on hit. It feels like it's about, oh, +5 on hit? Why the hell would I ever want to use this for anything? Other than that, I do think it's bullshit that the EX teleport isn't completely safe. Yeah, I get it, not everyone should have a free Raiden teleport, but I'm spending meter to make my teleport safe, here. It should actually, y'know, work.
Again, I still stand by my claim that he doesn't "need" anything. There are still some minor buffs I think he could stand to get, but I think (almost) every character in this game could use a little something here and there just to expand their options and make them a more fleshed-out character. If 2 1 was even a few plus frames on block (we'll say 5), I wouldn't mind so much that it's dick slow, and it's not like he could abuse this for frame traps when he has nothing under ten frames. He could even get plus frames on a couple more strings for that reason (I'm looking at you, 3 4).
I do think the explosion on the ice bomb could stand to be a little taller so it'd be easier to divekick an airborne opponent into it. You can put the fear of God in someone if you divekick them out of the air and into a bomb freeze, but as of right now, there's no way in hell to do that consistently even IF you can successfully bait your opponent into jumping.
Other than that, the recovery on some of his strings irks me. F2 4 honestly wouldn't be such a bad way to end certain combos if it wasn't pretty much zero on hit. What makes this so stupid is that you touch down immediately after hitting, yet... You're stuck standing there until they actually recover? It may not hurt as much as U4 slide, but if this gave you the freedom to move around on hit (a la Ermac's EX push or F4 B2 as a combo ender), it'd have some practical purpose. Right now, the purpose of this string is, uh, looking cool in impractical corner X-rays. I guess you can 3 4 B2 4 X-ray in the corner for easy access to an unbreakable 45%. That's almost, sort of, KIND OF something close to a practical purpose for this string. I also don't understand the purpose of his B3 string at all. For something that looks so flashy, you'd think it'd have some sort of use, but what the hell is it good for? It's slow, it has a tiny hitbox, it's in no way hit confirmable and if you're just comboing into a freeze, 3 3 still hits low and does better. I almost feel like the mock shoryuken could be useful for something, maybe even as a command normal (I realize this would never happen without a UMK9 or the unlikely event of Cyber Sub returning for a sequel). Unfortunately, as it stands, every individual hit of the string is pretty well useless.
I think its general agreement on this thread that he DOES need tweaks and what should be addressed by NRS is:
-Bombs negative edge
-his pokes
-1 armored move
Cant we all come together and agree to support this ? (instead of keep arguing between ourselves)
Admittedly, I can agree with this, even if I truthfully have no issue with the bomb inputs. Again, you can easily train yourself to just tap up after a dash to segment your bomb inputs. I realize that feels like an unconventional solution, but it's not at all difficult to do, and it's something you can easily just get down to muscle memory.
I'd actually sooner see him get faster startup on the EX parry than an actual armor move, since he could use it to get out of a lot of the pressure situations that currently give him trouble. It wouldn't be too much to ask for full coverage on an EX parry either, i.e. it'll even parry low pokes and normals/contact specials that the normal parry won't. It seems like a more interesting alternative to an armor move.
Leave the fucking green bean alone. He is already a great competitor to the whole cast. Sub zero Ex slide is well deserved, Cyber sub should have one...
I bet my friend is looking at all this and saying "no". Well you never professionally looked at Cyber Sub so.. yeah.
What I really don't get is that they simultaneously buffed and nerfed Reptile. I support NRS, but this seems like the most absolutely fucking brainless decision whatsoever. He's certainly not a bad character, but he isn't a problem either. They're nerfing the elbow dash solely because all the online warriors are bitching about their inability to punish it, and while this shouldn't be a huge issue in high level play (let's face it, most good players are already punishing this whenever they have the opportunity), it's still completely and utterly unnecessary. At this rate, I wouldn't even be surprised if they nerfed Raiden's teleport and made a joke character out of him.
Altaire is the same guy who keeps claiming CSZ and Shang are both top tier. Hilarious stuff from this guy
I love how you just quoted Tom Brady to point this out like it's such a ridiculous idea. Tom Brady, who said Shang was top tier, oh... Two months ago, I'd say?
Ermac was also something like 5 or 6 on the tier list back then, yet he became bottom ten almost overnight without any sort of patch update to account for it. At one point, Noob was A+ tier as well, I believe, Jade was the most untapped character in the game and Cyber Sub was reportedly
top fucking eight up til around early August. What can you tell us about those projections now, exactly? You people are in such a rush to establish your tier lists so you can treat them like the gospel of MK9, and at this point, you just look like a bunch of colorblind people trying to gang up on a Rubik's Cube.
