Match-up Discussion IMO Jade's Honest Matchup Numbers

[STB Shujinkydink]

I think the MU is 5-5 personally. Baraka has some advantages but jade is always one solid read away from evening it up. her EX low boomerang is particularly useful in this MU as she can pull baraka in if hes gaining zoning advantage, meaning she controls where the fight takes place. Baraka can do some great damage, and I feel his corner game is stronger, but i dont think theres a big enough advantage to consider it in either characters favor.

 

[THTB]

LBSH, Cyrax does like 50%+ damage with 1 bar anywhere on the screen. Noob only does about 30% mid screen even with meter. His damage is in the corner. They are the most damaging and least damaging characters in the game respectively.

By your logic we would pretty much have to bump all of Cyrax's 5-5's to 6-4's, 6-4's to 7-3's, etc.

Damage is definitely a factor in MUs but not enuff to change MUs IMO.

Damage does make a difference. When you can get 50+% on NUMEROUS situations, it goes a long way. It means certain risks are just not really worth it anymore.

Noob's damage being so low makes a huge difference because there's never a reason to break vs him or save meter to break, unless you are about to lose.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

No way she beats Sub. You haven't played a good sub

 

[1man3letters]

@1man3lettsers, no one is getting bitey. I agree with you. Tan agrees. Chance does not. But he's being nothing short of civil and calm explaining why he disagrees with us.

Like I said earlier, YMMV (your mileage may vary). Depending on who you play, where, who your opponent is, how well both parties know that match up, how often you run it...and so on and so forth. There's just too many variables to get everyone to agree down to the last wee detail. Which is why tier lists and match up charts will never be immaculate.

We don't have to mindlessly agree with each other over everything or anything. It would be kinda creepy if we did actually. But we're discussing things rather civilly I think. Chance has given his reasons why he thinks Jade vs X is whatevs intelligently and snark free. Ignored posts that.... Won't lead to valuable information and agreed to play with anyone who wants to change his mind.

There's no "I'm right, agree with me or you suck" going on here. And there will not be. From anyone. All TYM posters have every right to respectfully disagree with anything.

This forum can get... Emotional. I know, believe me. And I try to gently nip potential drama in the bud. But if I need step in as a mod, I certainly will. No one should ever be shy about posting here for fear of hostility or needlessly harsh criticism.

you didnt tag me correctly so only seeing this now.

there was nothing to nip,
i agree with pretty much all of what you said there,
there's "no agree or die" attitude from my end, never has been with me but im sure you'll also agree when something false is said it should be corrected, if not for the benefit of the two people having the conversation but to the others who might read it later and view that what is false as fact.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Meh, still doesn't cover for Barakas problems full screen.

Like Boomerangs? I totally cannot just jump those.

And if I jump it in max blade charge range I can punish a rang. So he doesnt really have problems fullscreen.

It's not false information, Jade can punish the charge. Just apparently not the max range charge, but it's never given me much trouble. Barakas d4 does not give jade problems, trust me. Do you have xbox?

I do if you want to run the matchup. I need Jade experience.

 

[BillStickers]

As I said earlier, I believe Baraka-Jade is 6-4 in his favor, which, keep in mind, means a small advantage. The majority of Jade's bad matchups stem her inability to keep characters out. Baraka gets in pretty easily due to blade charges, and up close, Baraka wins easily with his mixups and frame trap game. Jade can try to play keep away, but all that really does is move her closer and closer to the corner, which is the *last* place she wants to be in this matchup. Jade's saving grace is that she can out-footsie him a little bit, but a good baraka will blade charge to keep jade from doing this.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Chance, lets record a FT5, Baraka vs Jade

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

No way she beats Sub. You haven't played a good sub

lol.... get out

 

[OutworldKeith]

Damage does make a difference. When you can get 50+% on NUMEROUS situations, it goes a long way. It means certain risks are just not really worth it anymore.

Noob's damage being so low makes a huge difference because there's never a reason to break vs him or save meter to break, unless you are about to lose.

I understand the way MUs work for the most part.

What he basically said was just because his character does more damage, that automatically means it's a winning MU. Which is not always the case.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

lol.... get out

I believe Tom Brady has this 5-5 or in Sub's favor so I'll take his opinion over some random Sub Zero player like yourself.

 

[Zoidberg747]

I understand the way MUs work for the most part.

What he basically said was just because his character does more damage, that automatically means it's a winning MU. Which is not always the case.

It is with Cyrax unless you can completely shut down his options. I cant really think of many low tier characters that could possibly go even with cyrax just because he is crazy good and has ridiculous damage.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

I believe Tom Brady has this 5-5 or in Sub's favor so I'll take his opinion over some random Sub Zero player like yourself.

random? how many majors have you placed third at?

 

[Zoidberg747]

random? how many 10 man majors have you placed third at?

Fixed

Also to be fair Charlie didnt even post why he thought the guy was wrong, you cant just say get out and expect him to not say anything lol.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

random? how many majors have you placed third at?

Don't even get me started on you. You have one of the all time dumbest quotes saying just because 16 bit wins with Kitana doesn't make him the best. Hold that for a lifetime. lol





Keep it civil please people.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Fixed

Also to be fair Charlie didnt even post why he thought the guy was wrong, you cant just say get out and expect him to not say anything lol.

it was more in response to "you aren't playing good sub zero's" ..... he has no idea.
idgaf what the numbers say to be honest.

 

[Zoidberg747]

it was more in response to "you aren't playing good sub zero's" ..... he has no idea.
idgaf what the numbers say to be honest.

Fair enough

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Don't even get me started on you Shujinkydick. You have one of the all time dumbest quotes saying just because 16 bit wins with Kitana doesn't make him the best. Hold that for a lifetime. lol

you know the truth

 

[sub_on_dubs]

you know the truth

You should listen to the last Woolay Show. I think you'd enjoy it. lol

 

[Espio]

I love when match up chart discussions devolve into discrediting who you've played before, good times.

 

[Zoidberg747]

I love when match up chart discussions devolve into discrediting who you've played before, good times.

You mean like all of them.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

Don't even get me started on you Shujinkydick. You have one of the all time dumbest quotes saying just because 16 bit wins with Kitana doesn't make him the best. Hold that for a lifetime. lol

Don't like third place? How bout second?

 

[sub_on_dubs]

Don't like third place? How bout second?

Dude stop. We're not talking about backyard tournaments here. There is only one Sub Zero sir and that is Tom Brady. The rest don't even come close including myself.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Dude stop. We're not talking about backyard tournaments here. There is only one Sub Zero sir and that is Tom Brady. The rest don't even come close including myself.

Denzell
Shoryuken
Lionheart

etc.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

Denzell
Shoryuken
Lionheart

etc.

Like I said. There is but one Sub Zero. Those are all good subs, but they're not on Tom's level. Who else makes Sub vs Kit look like 5-5 or Kabal vs Sub look 5-5. I rest my case.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Like I said. There is but one Sub Zero. Those are all good subs, but they're not on Tom's level. Who else makes Sub vs Kit look like 5-5 or Kabal vs Sub look 5-5. I rest my case.

And yet he is going to Raiden,


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