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Hunter Pence says: "Joker is actually better than Green Arrow"

Eric The Scruffy

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If you're trying to allude that Chris G isn't an "NRS player" then please stop posting. The guy plays EVERYTHING.
He plays everything, but he doesn't really practice or optimize everything which is why I think some people are kind of offput by him. Take his arrow for example. His fundamentals might be on point, but just imagine if he actually bothered to practice and incorporated things like background bounces and interactibles into his gameplan. He'd probably be able to win another major or two.

For the record though I have absolutely no issues with ChrisG testing NRS games and hope he continues to do so. He's one of the greatest players of his generation and how he deals with the game long term doesn't negate or in any way affect how he benefits the game in the immediate short term during the testing and balancing phase.
 

Fromundaman

I write too much.
Is there an example of a character that Joker does better against than Arrow?
Well, I don't know Arrow MUs, so I may be off on some of these, but how does he do against MMH/Batgirl/Aquaman? Joker is at WORST 4-6 with these characters.

Pretty sure Joker also does better against Bane, but this one gets debated a lot so who knows.
 

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
Well, I don't know Arrow MUs, so I may be off on some of these, but how does he do against MMH/Batgirl/Aquaman? Joker is at WORST 4-6 with these characters.

Pretty sure Joker also does better against Bane, but this one gets debated a lot so who knows.
They are all horrible nightmares you can't wake up out of. Batgirl not that much though but it's still bad since you can't use arrows.
 

King Roosta

The Duke of the Donk
I really wish there was a Joker who studied the match ups well enough to use the parries in real matches. I know there are at least a few patterns that even I've noticed like how black adams use d1 after certain combos almost every time. Plus I remember that Joker thread that exposed holes in the middle of certain combos, even the popular ones, that Joker could parry in the middle of. THAT'S the Joker I wanna see on stream.
 

tylerlansdown

Community Specialist Netherrealm Studios
NetherRealm Studios
Hunter is a good dude. I played him a bunch here at the studio. For a guy who plays professional baseball he is pretty good at Injustice. Keep in mind he doesn't have the kind of time that we do to really dig deep in the game, that said, he had some great BnB's and knew the mechanics really well, he beat a few guys in the studio. The most important thing is that Injustice and MK are his FAVORITE games, he loves them, it was awesome hearing him tell battle stories about his time online in Injustice. It is funny though that a post about an all-star baseball player playing the game we all love has turned into a discussion on the matchup....gotta love it. On a side note, he watches a ton of streams and knew a lot of the players and what characters they played.
 

Fromundaman

I write too much.
I really wish there was a Joker who studied the match ups well enough to use the parries in real matches. I know there are at least a few patterns that even I've noticed like how black adams use d1 after certain combos almost every time. Plus I remember that Joker thread that exposed holes in the middle of certain combos, even the popular ones, that Joker could parry in the middle of. THAT'S the Joker I wanna see on stream.
We try to, but here's the thing: We can't use our parry as a wakeup or a reversal.

That means there are gaps that other parry characters can punish that we can't (Especially jump-in follow-ups, GL's B13. or BA's D1 after B23). Combine that with the fact our parry has about 4 active frames and 26 or so ending frames and well, there's a reason a lot of us won't do parries unless we see specific animations ahead of time. On top of all of that, our parry buff isn't exactly stellar and can sometimes make us worse than before we hit the trait buff.

I know I personally use it on reactable overheads, B3s with easy to see windup, a few strings where I can react to the parry-able hit (Like Martian's 22b3) or if I'm feeling lucky I might try it on a read.

But yeah... the reason we don't parry much is that even if we KNOW what you are going to do, even if we are so confident that we could put money on it, that still doesn't mean our parry will work. I have been punished more times than I can count for trying to parry on a successful read...
 
how do we know this guy actually said this? it could be "beatbynoelbrown" saying this on a different account.
 

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
Or equally good.:)

For real though, is he saying Joker beats Arrow or Joker does better against the rest of the cast than GA does?

Either way, I want one of whatever he's on. Why are GA players also the biggest down players?


@SoundsLikePAUSE judging by the popular opinion/eventhubs tier list/overall appreciation of the character, we're actually the biggest upplayers.
 
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Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
I would sit anyday with noobde, apathy and colt for gameplay testing, why does NRS keep giving this job to non NRS players? they don't even care about our game lol
Because they have no stake in the game, therefore won't be biased against favorite characters etc.

Although a ton of the testers are NRS players.
 

Red Reaper

The Hyrax Whisperer
Well, I don't know Arrow MUs, so I may be off on some of these, but how does he do against MMH/Batgirl/Aquaman? Joker is at WORST 4-6 with these characters.

Pretty sure Joker also does better against Bane, but this one gets debated a lot so who knows.
They are all horrible nightmares you can't wake up out of. Batgirl not that much though but it's still bad since you can't use arrows.
You kan use Arrows against Batgirl. She kan't react to your shot if you release it immediately.. That said, she kan usually korner you easily and once there you're fighting for your 20% vs her 60%.
 

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
You kan use Arrows against Batgirl. She kan't react to your shot if you release it immediately.. That said, she kan usually korner you easily and once there you're fighting for your 20% vs her 60%.
15 frame tele says hello to your 22 frame 1% arrow.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
He has Midscreen 50/50's... Ask @DarthArma ...
Yeah man, labbing this character since the game came out but I sure as hell don't know my setups.

The only 50 50s he has midscreen are almost never worth doing and I'm 100% sure they're not those that you're thinking.
 
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