How to balance Sheeva?

[XxSYNDROISxX]

my idea is i think delaying stomp should cost defensive meter and take away the delay option on enhanced dragon stomp she doesn't need both options

 

[PapaRegadetho]

Maybe make the move input wise harder, like make it a pretzel motion that you have to input it in like 2 frames...

 

[Deleted member 64931]

Ah it’s really easy. You just change it back to pre November patch. Not that anyone cares anymore. People have have started playing injustice 2 again because how much of a dumpster fire this game turned out to be.

 

[NaCl man]

Take away the enhance and krushung blow and slightly increase wiff recovery.

 

[CountHyuga]

Make people choose where to drop and get homing stomp with meter.

 

[XxSYNDROISxX]

Take away the enhance and krushung blow and slightly increase wiff recovery.

That would not balance it that would just destroy it

 

[supahotbean]

the move is pretty good but has counters to it; people just don't use them. it hasn't been the first-ever fighting game in which you had to counter pick someone.
anyways here are the two nerfs that are pretty much unnecessary, but since people want this move just removed from the game ill give my insight.
1.) make stomp faster, but in turn, remove the delay/timings so that it can be used as a teleport/anti zoning move
2.) revert all former stomp changes and add hella whiff recovery. I'm talking about like 50 frames
3.) optional (make banned custom moves legal. most of the banned moves can deal with sheevas stomp (ex: rains wave dash movement move)

I believe nrs is in a position in which they cannot nerf Sheeva anymore because they decided to jump the gun and nerf dragon stance already. if Sheeva gets nerfed, then everyone is getting the hammer. Ex: no more distances for leap, no more jack in the box, Liu Kang gets removed from the game ... etc... lmao


ps: having the delay cost meter wouldn't change anything. you still would have to guess from forwards or backwards.

 

[Marinjuana]

Adding whiff recovery would probably be easy to implement, would make the version of Stomp easier to punish and it would reward you more for avoiding. And we'd probably still get to see Tigerz stomp people

 

[NaCl man]

That would not balance it that would just destroy it

I'd be happy with a few more frames wiff recovery.

 

[XxSYNDROISxX]

I'd be happy with a few more frames wiff recovery.

That I would say is pretty viable however that on top of the other requests you were saying would be too much

 

[DethRaze]

Nah, we need a looney toons shadow under where she's gonna be ala peacock from skullgirls. That make that bitch -25 on whiff.

 

[NeroOps]

Adding a indicator when opponent inputs her air drop delay.
It can be a tab difficult just to make the right read for a unblockable mixup that you can't even see on the screen especially when a sheeva player uses it for oki.

I do agree with those points others have stated.

• They could add more frames of recovery if they delay the air drop and it whiffs.
• Having it cost defensive meter ain't a bad idea either when she delays it.

 

[BarakaTile]

the move is pretty good but has counters to it; people just don't use them. it hasn't been the first-ever fighting game in which you had to counter pick someone.
anyways here are the two nerfs that are pretty much unnecessary, but since people want this move just removed from the game ill give my insight.
1.) make stomp faster, but in turn, remove the delay/timings so that it can be used as a teleport/anti zoning move
2.) revert all former stomp changes and add hella whiff recovery. I'm talking about like 50 frames
3.) optional (make banned custom moves legal. most of the banned moves can deal with sheevas stomp (ex: rains wave dash movement move)

I believe nrs is in a position in which they cannot nerf Sheeva anymore because they decided to jump the gun and nerf dragon stance already. if Sheeva gets nerfed, then everyone is getting the hammer. Ex: no more distances for leap, no more jack in the box, Liu Kang gets removed from the game ... etc... lmao


ps: having the delay cost meter wouldn't change anything. you still would have to guess from forwards or backwards.

Some characters don't have to worry about her dropping forwards or back, it's the delay that manages to get them.

Hence people wanting Delay removed, cost meter, Delay being a slot while directable is base

 

[M2Dave]

The stomp does not need to be changed.

 

[scrubjesus111]

I'm confused by all the Sheeva hysteria lately. People haven't had much problem dodging stomp IME; they just wait for the camera shift and then walk away. But I don't use the directable version -- is that the one ppl are complaining about or is it her base stomp?

 

[DethRaze]

I'm confused by all the Sheeva hysteria lately. People haven't had much problem dodging stomp IME; they just wait for the camera shift and then walk away. But I don't use the directable version -- is that the one ppl are complaining about or is it her base stomp?

You don't even need the direct able version, base has so much crap jammed in it and its all free. The move is:

1. Delayable
2. Ampable
3. Trackable
4. Unblockable

And has a 32% KB attached to it. And she only ever has to amp it when she wants the kb. This is why all the top tiers are top. They either have base moves that give them all-in-ones or their best moves are only 1 slot. Why the hell all of cetrion moves give like 5 versions of the move but mileena has to equip her air teleport and air sai??? Especially since mileena was designed with the damn customs in mind????

And the problem have with this brain dead move is that it simply does too much. It needs one defined purpose, which should be anti zoning. Speed the move up, remove the delay. Fixed.

 

[Afk Skinny]

Invincibility frames on backdash

 

[craftycheese]

They need to buff a new move that we will complain about. Seriously guys fucking figure it out. They don't need to buff shit. Is it a strong move, ya probably. Does it change the way you play, ya but you should be used it by now and figure out how to fucking counter it. we don't need to go around changing moves just because you can't figure it out.

I'm sure the chiefs last night wish they could've gotten the nfl to nerf the bucs d-line, but actually they should've game planned for them better and adjusted better during the game.

 

[kantboy-2]

The move is not the problem; it's the mobility options baked into MK 11.

I never read this much complaining about Goro's stomp in MKX.

 

[BarakaTile]

I mean...Stomp has been Unblockable since Kintaro did it in MK2.

The move is not the problem; it's the mobility options baked into MK 11.

I never read this much complaining about Goro's stomp in MKX.

So bring back the Run Mechanic for everyone because people can't deal with sheeva stomp?

 

[scrubjesus111]

Everyone's solutions are so dramatic. Just add 2 to 5 frames after the camera shift and before she drops down.

 

[NoCharge]

You overhaul Shao Kahn and make him at least A-tier level so he is used more. I'm tired of seeing Sheeva.

 

[DethRaze]

Everyone's solutions are so dramatic. Just add 2 to 5 frames after the camera shift and before she drops down.

It doesn't matter how many frames you add, she still has a selectable drop window of 30 frames where she can come down whenever she chooses (after you try to dodge).

Edit: Alternatively they could make it so she locks on to you on the way up. So it still functions as an anti zoning tool, but we can dash out of it once we see it. But dragon stance nerf needs to be reverted to compensate.

 

[kantboy-2]

So bring back the Run Mechanic for everyone because people can't deal with sheeva stomp?

No; bring back the walking speed/dashes from MKX so everyone can deal with moves like this and other shit from the "I don't play neutral" crowd.

Sheeva came out in May but it took 8 months for people to realize delayed stomp = bad because everyone was tier whoring up until Ttz blew them up? If so, then the move is not the problem.

 

[Tony at Home]

Directed stomps can't be delayed. That'd be an acceptable change. Or make the delay interval fixed.