Question - Outlaw How good is Erron Black still?

[GAV]

Top-tier or not, Erron fits my play-style of full-on rush-down really well so that's why I stick with him.

Outlaw Erron's style reminds me of Johnny Cage from MK9 in the way that he doesn't have much of a zoning game, but he's one of the best when he gets inside. Its pretty much what drew me to him in the first place.

He has an awesome anti-zoning game with that slide though.

 

[SaJa]

He has an awesome anti-zoning game with that slide though.

The hitbox is high during 1/3 of the way. you won't slide on reaction an iceball like subzero or reptile can, you'll eat it except you use armor. However, you can slide sz's ice clone projectile on reaction (on read for online).

 

[cambros22]

I would say he's around top ten. Definitely has flaws as pointed out earlier in this thread, but I am still waiting for more Erron Black players to shine. I really think Sonic could play anyone and beat most people. Keyword being most.

I hear a lot of how Marksman might be better than Outlaw. I'd personally would love to see this, so EB players, keep practicing and attend your tournies.

EB is definitely not Batgirl (I also think the whole Sonic being the only one to play BG with high success is because he put in the time and was not used as a quick "pick me up to body people in pools" character, even if she was top 2) so I would imagine more EB players could have success. He doesn't seem that difficult to play aside from some slight nuances in timing for Outlaw, and I never played a cancel character so I can't speak on Marksman.

In time more Erron Black players should begin to shine. Execution is a bit on the high side, but I think most EB players get killed in Setplay. He has a ton of options, but if your not constantly changing it up and conditioning, he can lose steam. Sonic displays strong setplay and that takes him along way, even in some of the more unfavorable matchups.

Marksman is fun. I have all the rifle cancels down, except canceling into block. I still mixup combos between all three variations though lol. I have to work on that.

 

[AK Stormthegates]

Well he just won Evo so pretty good I guess. Definitely top 10 until they do something to 21122 string. Its like a 10140129401294019240192491209-way mixup.

 

[cambros22]

Well he just won Evo so pretty good I guess. Definitely top 10 until they do something to 21122 string. Its like a 10140129401294019240192491209-way mixup.

and in markman, you can add another 5-10 digits on that number

 

[LucaTheRipper]

He has an awesome anti-zoning game with that slide though.

Nope, actually isnt that good, online is much worse, he lacks decent zoning/counter in all variations. Marksman longshot is not so bad but sucks at the recovery.

 

[HeroesNZ]

He has an awesome anti-zoning game with that slide though.

 

[21122]

They better not nerf 21122. He already got nerfed enough.

 

[cambros22]

They better not nerf 21122. He already got nerfed enough.

I doubt they will. Its unnecessary.

 

[D4G]

and in markman, you can add another 5-10 digits on that number

Hush, Stop making up stuff, there's no such thing as a marksman erron black and if there was, he'd be trash tier, sonicfox plays outlaw only for a reason

 

[cambros22]

Hush, Stop making up stuff, there's no such thing as a marksman erron black and if there was, he'd be trash tier, sonicfox plays outlaw only for a reason

It will be our little secret

 

[STRYKIE]

Well he just won Evo so pretty good I guess. Definitely top 10 until they do something to 21122 string. Its like a 10140129401294019240192491209-way mixup.

You mean buff it so that the first hit doesn't whiff on low hitboxes? Sounds good to me.

It's not -2 on hit. It's +6-9.

Just curious, can I ask how you went about testing this?

 

[cambros22]

You mean buff it so that the first hit doesn't whiff on low hitboxes? Sounds good to me.


Just curious, can I ask how you went about testing this?[/QUOTE

He probably did the NJ test.
Sonicfox already confirmed it right after patch. And if you enhance tackle, your 10+ frmaes positive.

 

[JDM]

Hes still a definite top 5 for me.

 

[Derptile]

You mean buff it so that the first hit doesn't whiff on low hitboxes? Sounds good to me.


Just curious, can I ask how you went about testing this?

Illuminati PPJ said it was.

BTW @D4G Sonic Fox recently said Marksman is probably his best variation, take that as you will lol.

 

[HeroesNZ]

You mean buff it so that the first hit doesn't whiff on low hitboxes? Sounds good to me.


Just curious, can I ask how you went about testing this?

I set the CPU to jump, used Sand Trap, and then compared the jumps with the frame-data of other normals/strings around +6-9 on hit and they seemed similar. It might not even be +6-9 (I only tested for like 2 minutes), but it's definitely still plus.