... what do u do like b2 sb standing 2 sb d3 d4 d1 sb on block all the time? also ppl can conterpoke d1 sbs etc and jump over b23 sbs on block . i fail to see your point, because all thats gonna do for u is end your pressure and quite possibly get punished for it?
No what im saying is that if you have a string blocked that is neutral (like 3d12 or b23) if the opponent wants to counterpoke so you cannot continue pressure they are always taking a risk by doing so because you have the option to throw a sb. Im not saying use sb cancels off of anything as pressure, you will obviously eat a combo if you do. Its like kung lao, just because the spin is punishable does not make the threat of him throwing it out after a string disappear. Carl used to use that threat to continue his pressure and we can all agree that was pretty successful. Plus you know you are going to have PLENTY of frame advantage from d4s that hit when using smoke so getting advantage is not a problem.
Dude coolwhip is definitely right. The point is smoke forces you to make a read where if you guess wrong you lose your health bar (you get hit by b2) and if you guess right you're neutral ( you block d4). Do you not see how the risk reward of that opens up tons of d4s?
You can jump over b23 smoke bomb, but what if the smoke bomb never comes? And yes, you can counter-poke d1 smoke bomb, but even with how great players have gotten at counter-poking, it's still something you have to look for and have pretty quick reactions to do so, otherwise bye-bye health.
But you have to if you want to have any chance in the footsies game or if he is literally just poking you endlessly.
b2 3 is not neutral but ok
he better cancel it with something cuz its punishable
Not just poking but getting frame advantage/free pressure/throws.
b23 is -9 with pushback...I'm not even sure if Reptile punishes a spaced out b23.
Yeah I corrected myself earlier. I was meaning to say that during wakeup it is a legit get off me move.
Not neutral but still safe due to the pushback so the effect is the same, 214 is the same situation too. They block for an extra second in fear of sb and you get to make the next move, not them. Im not saying actually throw the sb all the time, its more threatening if you use it sparingly and keep them guessing
its still punishable as in your in pressure...
I play Kung Lao. I never had a problem with Smoke either, but it seems like you don't understand your own character if you're comparing his D4 in vacuum, irrespective of his other tools which compliment it.
and no with pushback means your wasting frames dashing in for another mixup = counterpoked even if they resepected ur sb cancel
Jesus. Nobody meant a true 50/50. But if merely being in footsie range with Smoke means you're stuck eating D4's and terrified to block low, then that's not going to be pretty.
Uh, being in pressure =/= punish. Hate to break it to you.
They still have to dash in to get that pressure. You can smoke away out of that, too, and come back up to be within range again.
sure dood i respect your opinion but i mean a lao player probably knows how the smoke matchups since he has to respect anything smoke does on hit<-
Yeah plus if you're chasing him you'll never catch him if just keep getting d4ed.
Life sucks when you are secret top 5 and you still lose to 3 of the top 4 characters :/
Thats true, I do agree with that on b23 but on his other strings you are already in their face
