people get hurt when there favorite game is "trashed", and some people go to the extreme and may act like you killed there kids for saying stuff about something they are passionate (not literally). at the same time cat and 16 bit don't know all the things you guys know about how much joe has done for our community and how you guys are the real supporters even though you don't like said game, you care more about the community. am i right?Zyphox please explain how we're not understanding each other.
That's not meant in a snarky/dickish attitude, I just want to be sure of what people mean.
I'm not going to jump into the rest of this argument, but I do want to correct this one fallacy -- fighting games have always been a financial loss for MLG. This has been stated by Sundance, and he made it clear that he was running the tournaments out of goodwill for the fighting games and their players.One last thing. Someone here commented on what Joe said about MK9 not deserving to be in MLG. You said that it was because of the hard work of the community that it got in. Guess what everyone? MLG could give TWO SHITS about this or any other fighting game community. All that money came from Sony because they saw $_$ in this game, that's it. It was more advertising revenue for Dr. Pepper and whatever other companies sponsor MLG because MK9 was the flavor of the year last year. If they gave two shits about the dedication of this community, why isn't MK9 still in MLG?
I understand what you're saying. I know MK got low numbers, and that's the reason it was dropped. NRS/WB had a 1 season contract. I want you to watch something. There is a major FGC sponsor that is also involved in MLG right now that also has a 1 season contract. They are going to drop after this season. I won't say the name, but just watch it happen. I 100% guarantee you it's going to happen. More goes on behind the scenes than what Sundance is telling everyone. Do you know how many times I personally gave them the formula on how to get the FGC involved in a REAL manner that will benefit everyone? Three times since 2008. I know three people who worked there, asked me how to get it to work I wrote it out, gave it to them, and it was rejected at the meetings. MLG's problem is that they look for quick solutions to big problems. They put the right people in the wrong places. Why was Arturo simply a stream manager? Why wasn't he the FGC liason? Carlos was the FGC liason. I know Carlos personally. I've known him since Tekken 5 was in arcades. He lives 20 minutes away from me. We're friends. Everyone knows Arturo from every community, Carlos was better off behind the scenes. His resources were much better put elsewhere, but MLG doesn't look that far in advance. Look at how Capcom handles it. They had Seth Killian as their community lead. Why? Because everyone knew him from back in the day as a great player. He was heavily involved in Evo until 2007 when he was hired by Capcom on the SF4 project. Look who the community lead is now. Combofiend. Peter has been around for YEARS in the Capcom community and everyone knows him. MLG makes backwards decisions on things that don't matter to them. The FGC didn't matter to them. It was doomed from the start.I'm not going to jump into the rest of this argument, but I do want to correct this one fallacy -- fighting games have always been a financial loss for MLG. This has been stated by Sundance, and he made it clear that he was running the tournaments out of goodwill for the fighting games and their players.
Even if you don't take his word for it, if you know anything about CPM's, the numbers for MK weren't enough for anyone to take to the bank on ad revenue (or even just to pay for setting up the consoles); but the quality of the tournaments and the level of competition were always great. I'm sure Sony contributed to the prize pool, but let's be realistic: they could have cut fighting games at any point given what SC and LoL were generating, but they stuck with it for the entire season and I respect that.
Injustice hasn't been at MLG because it's not even released yet; but it may be there in the future. I'm not jumping to conclusions now, and I hope no one else does either.
That is 100% correct.people get hurt when there favorite game is "trashed", and some people go to the extreme and may act like you killed there kids for saying stuff about something they are passionate (not literally). at the same time cat and 16 bit don't know all the things you guys know about how much joe has done for our community and how you guys are the real supporters even though you don't like said game, you care more about the community. am i right?
SweetJohnnyCage yeah.. One of the things that I regret about the community is that people don't cooperate. The Fall Classic is a good start; but overall we need more people to work together to raise things towards a higher level of promotion. Otherwise, when you get organizations like MLG, they have a lot of resources, but won't manage things in certain ways that people 'closer to the ground' would. You wouldn't expect them too; they're multimillion dollar operations.
I respect MLG for giving fighting games their due treatment though, and they were continually very supportive -- but I think the next step is for people to figure out how to broaden the FGC audience in a collaborative way from the grassroots up, that's not so fractured into 15 different pieces/regions.
I'll be working on it this year; if you're interested in any of it, I'll likely give you a ring at some point. But it's critical that we bring people together in order to reach the next level if a larger 'esports' name isn't involved.
Apparently not close enough because if you did, you would know that you wouldn't have a scene to play in without the support from LI Joe and others who helped build the foundation for MK at tournaments when the community monsters didn't want our games at their tournaments. The North East scene is the Mecca of true competitive MK and the driving force of competition around the country. Everything you have right now stems from us. There would be NOTHING without it. NUTHEENG. I don't think you realize how hard it is for a game to make it in the FGC. It was already there for you when you came around.If Joe has done so much for the community then it needs to be better explained. I follow this scene super close and still have no idea what he's done besides blow up MK9 and play UMK3 back in the day. Neither impress me. You can't expect us to care about a guy if all we ever see is negative talk of our game and screaming to us demanding we respect him doesn't help.
It did nothing for MK9? Really? Because I have run more MK tournaments than any person in this country, and I can say, without fear of contradiction that the only reason MK9 existed in the FGC was because of us running MK, primarily UMK3, for the better part of 10 years before it came out.In before he bashes injustice a few months from now.
And okay he played umk3 ? That did nothing for mk9. Mk9 is now. Reo played umk3 years after it died. And still bodied most of these "og legends".
Mk9 is what it is from the support of you and Tym staff and the numerous of fans (who probably didnt start playing Mk until now ).
You know, I honestly forgot about how sidelined MK was for years because we never thought twice about including it.Apparently not close enough because if you did, you would know that you wouldn't have a scene to play in without the support from LI Joe and others who helped build the foundation for MK at tournaments when the community monsters didn't want our games at their tournaments. The North East scene is the Mecca of true competitive MK and the driving force of competition around the country. Everything you have right now stems from us. There would be NOTHING without it. NUTHEENG. I don't think you realize how hard it is for a game to make it in the FGC. It was already there for you when you came around.
For the record, I don't like MK9, I don't know how I feel about Injustice yet.
Zaf! Are you coming down again this year?STORMS
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I loved how LI Joe was at Project Wolf. How many other mk players were there and live close by?
I got to share a few moments with him and summoning. Summoning told me all about their past and how far back their roots go. Joe might not remember me by name, but probably by face. We run into each other at every east coast major and he always says hi.
even sweetjohnnycage kept telling me to bring more people for MK to all the east coast tourneys when i met him at on the edge last year
If someone can not see what Joe has done in the past for MK as a whole community, then you really can not help them.
I know i preach this day in and day out, but for a lot of the new MKC addition ( mk9 players) this is their very first fighting game competitively. They have not been around long enough to see how it operates.
fuck man, i live in montreal. Home of street fighter. To this day no other game gets love in montreal except sf4.
but the one thing they do NOT do, is harass me for playing MK.
They encourage me playing it and support Jer and i. They dont like the game and will tell me why but i dont give a shit what they tell me because at the end of the day I keep playing.
Cat
calm down man, joe has years on helping the community over you.
you helped your local scene, joe helped the entire scene..
16 Bit
dude you attempted to rig brackets. I know it did not happen, but fuck man do you know how much harm THAT does to communities? Joe can have an opinion, because thats all it is just an opinion.