Hello!!?!? Can someone explain to me why KF is now top 5?

[RiBBz22]

invulnerable (wakeup) low attacks that magically spew hitboxes across 3/4's of the screen in 1 second that lead to 40 percent and a 50/50 for the kill. OUTPLAYED BRO

Stay salty

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

im good, bro.

its just silly to think that if youve ever lost to a killer fros tyou were "outplayed" when one dropped combo can = a wakeup slide into 100% damage

 

[FrozenG3oX]

It is when you are getting it to work against people that can't figure out how to jump back and punish it on a read. It means you are winning the mind game. GGS tho.

I was just havin' fun playah...nevermind

 

[Rude]

This game isn't for fun.

 

[RiBBz22]

im good, bro.

its just silly to think that if youve ever lost to a killer fros tyou were "outplayed" when one dropped combo can = a wakeup slide into 100% damage

Troll successful.

 

[Briggs8417]

Her zoning isn't a huge issue...just block Iceberg and that's a free dash, basically. Her air dashing isn't that big of a deal since she has like 1 good air attack. The slide is really dumb the way its designed...active frames up the ass and safe on block. Really?

Yeah I could bait a slide watch it whiff and come to a halt, go grab a cup of tea, come back and dash in for the whiff punish and still get popped up for full combo. This is the only thing I have ever wanted toned down on this character, I was really ok with everything else, except maybe trait cancels but I even could've lived with those.

 

[Lord Beef]

I thought it was funny....I miss you. ;______; We don't talk and/or play anymore...it's sad.

;__________;
I've been playing on psn more again. we must play soon.

 

[Briggs8417]

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I've been playing on psn more again. we must play soon.

Yesh...we must do this for the good of my soul. ;___;

 

[ForeverKing]

Batman, Zod, HG, Flash for starters

Not Batman. Especially not after his nerfs

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Why don't we just wait a week and find out

:O mind blown

 

[RiBBz22]

Why don't we just wait a week and find out

:O mind blown

Yeah, like 40 people have said this already so it is obviously not going to stop at this point lol

 

[@MylesWright_]

invulnerable (wakeup) low attacks that magically spew hitboxes across 3/4's of the screen in 1 second that lead to 40 percent and a 50/50 for the kill. OUTPLAYED BRO

Slide leads into a 28% 1 metre vortex.
What are you complaining about

 

[xKhaoTik]

AK Pig Of The Hut makes a thread asking why KF is top 5, gives her 4 bad MUs, HAS HER #4 IN THE GAME.

Seems legit

 

[RiBBz22]

AK Pig Of The Hut makes a thread asking why KF is top 5, gives her 4 bad MUs, HAS HER #4 IN THE GAME.

Seems legit

Yeah I mean I think everyone is under the same understanding about the ridiculousness of this thread. I just enjoy sensing salty tears about Killer Frost.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Dude I really don't think she'll have bad mu after the patch. BA seems like he'll be waaaayyy more manageable. MMH will be a problem but luckily, no one really uses him and only reo uses him at a high level lol.

She'll still have a lot of 5-5s tho. GA and Ares seem more tough now

 

[xInfra Deadx]

GA and Ares seem more tough now

Good...good...

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

AK Pig Of The Hut makes a thread asking why KF is top 5, gives her 4 bad MUs, HAS HER #4 IN THE GAME.

Seems legit

You in my vortex

 

[Konqrr]

Air-to-Air J1s...including Killer Frost's...can handle it well enough.

No... that would mean that I have to pre-emptively jump and I don't want to play scrubby. Plus KF j1 is 10f!!! Her fastest jumping normal is j3 which is 9f... so slow.

My complaint about Batman's J2 is that it is nearly un-anti-air-able and that is dumb. Even Doomsday splash can be anti aired now! smh

 

[Rip Torn]

Reading this made me LOL but also made me almost vomit.

How about actually disputing some of my points? Sometimes the opponent is going to guess right and you are going to loose. That's why I used the word "consistently". A true top tier character can break you down from the start of the match and win on a consistent basis. That's why I said she is upper mid tier. She can't do that.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

This is probably my reaction to Killer Frost literally getting no nerfs at 0:55.

 

[RunwayMafia]

The only real MU I firmly disagree with Khatoik on is versus HG. Lol it's so silly...the only way it's 5-5 or 6-4 for KF is if the HG literally just stands still and is bored. HG completely controls the tempo of this match and forces Frost to her. A skilled HG is not going to be fooled or taken out of the air by Frost not to mention HG has an awesome ground game. Most KF players considered BA a bad MU prior to this patch (and still will be a bitch, let's be real) but now HG has clearly risen above BA and people are kidding themselves if they think HG is simply "annoying" to fight...no no...she can wear you down till the end of the match.

On a more humorous note, and absolutely no offense to xKhaoTik personally, but I tend to think when asked about MU numbers, he answers AS IF he is in fact Killer Frost. Like he is her...so of course "she" doesn't see any bad MU's.

 

[xKhaoTik]

How about actually disputing some of my points? Sometimes the opponent is going to guess right and you are going to loose. That's why I used the word "consistently". A true top tier character can break you down from the start of the match and win on a consistent basis. That's why I said she is upper mid tier. She can't do that.

What's stopping her from winning on a consistent basis? Who bothers her? Who gives her trouble
It seems as if you are thinking of her as a rushdown character, and that's probably why you think she isn't that great. Start thinking about her as a defensive character and maybe we can have a discussion.

You said she can't break anyone down. Well...she's a block of ice. Who is breaking her Down?


Also, even if the opponent guesses right, its still in my favor 90% of the time.

 

[Mr Aquaman]

Ares gets the tide turned around quite a few MU's with that single tele buff alone, the 2,2 buff helps with every low hitbox character and makes his pressure maybe 27th in the game rather than 82nd. I could see him kf being a 5-5 after patch, bm, superman, nw, will all have some more touble with him. And runway, she is killer frost, Khaotik is a chick right?

 

[xKhaoTik]

The only real MU I firmly disagree with Khatoik on is versus HG. Lol it's so silly...the only way it's 5-5 or 6-4 for KF is if the HG literally just stands still and is bored. HG completely controls the tempo of this match and forces Frost to her. A skilled HG is not going to be fooled or taken out of the air by Frost not to mention HG has an awesome ground game. Most KF players considered BA a bad MU prior to this patch (and still will be a bitch, let's be real) but now HG has clearly risen above BA and people are kidding themselves if they think HG is simply "annoying" to fight...no no...she can wear you down till the end of the match.

On a more humorous note, and absolutely no offense to xKhaoTik personally, but I tend to think when asked about MU numbers, he answers AS IF he is in fact Killer Frost. Like he is her...so of course "she" doesn't see any bad MU's.

Lol idk man. I just don't see it. I never said it was in Frost's favor. I think its 5-5. I went to TFC and played all the HGs there, including trepound and dark steel (who beat Chris G) and I did extremely well against them. Both players said they think its 5-5 and no other frost they've played were on my level.

I guess it just needs more development. I love HG tho and she definitely shouldn't be slept on. I just think she doesn't beat frost

 

[ApocaLips]

How about actually disputing some of my points? Sometimes the opponent is going to guess right and you are going to loose. That's why I used the word "consistently". A true top tier character can break you down from the start of the match and win on a consistent basis. That's why I said she is upper mid tier. She can't do that.

What the hell are you talking about? KF surpasses the expected value on her vortex 50% of the time. That means out of, say, three touches, you're only going to fall short of the expected payout roughly 12.5% of the time.

If you want any more consistency on something that explosive, you're into the realm of infinites, O.Hawk and O.Honda style. To balance that, you need to take out all of her other options and make her flatly not have a neutral game.

You're asking for straight-up broken. She already has one of the highest payouts on random hits in the game.

People aren't arguing with you point-by-point because your initial points are ludicrous. You can't hand-wave away the vortex like that.