Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

[ImpostorOak]

I'm not even concerned about negativity. I just wish people would make original content, have a personality and make a quality product. I'm not wanting to point fingers because individuals currently making content might just not be that invested and don't care which is totally fine. I'd just expect someone to exist that attempts to reach the examples set by other communities and follow those blueprints.

Yeah. We need our own Broski, Chris and Brian F, etc.

Wanna start a channel? It's free real estate.

 

[ImpostorOak]

Only people we got that aren’t doing just “Here’s some sets I did in ranked or with a homie” that aren’t the online TOs are the UK Twins and that’s about it. We ain’t got a dedicated Sajam, Broski, BrianF, or fuck even Diaphone that really sits & breaks down things

The twins? Lmfao.

"Which version of Kobra had the biggest bulge in all of MK History?"

 

[Vulgar]

I disagree about Floyd. It was flavorful, fun, the stage is gorgeous, and it hearkens back to the secrets and hidden stuff in past MK games. It's Fine. Harmless. You don't have to do it or engage with it.

Regarding defensive options, I think pushblock would be pretty cool. I'm not sure of giving everyone armored launchers. While they were useful for defense in MKX, they also made offense disgustingly powerful. People that glaze MKX forget the days of characters doing a barely negative on block string into an armored launcher when people tried to check them.

Or people tossing out armored launchers all yolo dolo after getting hit. Naturally, this isn't some objective failing, just something I don't personally enjoy.

I don't know about a lack of zoning. Sektor has made Top 8s in online tournaments, Quan Chi has placements, and Kitana's zoning has only improved in this last patch.

If your idea of "good" zoning is just locking someone down from full screen like General Zod or Freddy, then I think your view of zoning is limited. I've always believed that you use it to force overcommitments and jumps and other risks the opponent makes to get in, then punish those mistakes.

Foxy Grandpa does this with Sektor/Kitana frequently.

I do think that instructive content creation is severely lacking. I was listening to old episodes of the Kombat Tomb Podcast and between the shitposting there was a lot of good talk about meta and guessing games and just breaking down match ups and such of MK9 and Injustice 1.

Thing is, people will watch Sonic Fox even if all he does is post player matches. Same for Honeybee and others. There's a lack of guide content from a lot of top players and it's a shame.

 

[Vulgar]

The twins? Lmfao.

"Which version of Kobra had the biggest bulge in all of MK History?"

So we're just going to pretend they haven't put out plenty of guides for Characters/Kameos?

 

[Eji1700]

The twins? Lmfao.

"Which version of Kobra had the biggest bulge in all of MK History?"

As opposed to all your content?

 

[Trickywizard]

There really is nothing MK related to talk about huh

I miss MKX days where a char would from top to bottom within weeks and from bottom to top lol that was fun

 

[Vulgar]

As opposed to all your content?

What content? Lol

 

[Vulgar]

I miss MKX days where a char would from top to bottom within weeks and from bottom to top lol that was fun

In hindsight? Sure. At the time? Nooooo way. People were Hella salty every patch.

 

[YagamiFire]

Only people we got that aren’t doing just “Here’s some sets I did in ranked or with a homie” that aren’t the online TOs are the UK Twins and that’s about it. We ain’t got a dedicated Sajam, Broski, BrianF, or fuck even Diaphone that really sits & breaks down things

The community needs to ask itself if an MK-Sajam would even be able to make a living though.

 

[LEGEND]

The community needs to ask itself if an MK-Sajam would even be able to make a living though.

I don't think that's even remotely close to the goal or a requirement.

But the answer is absolutely yes.

 

[Trickywizard]

In hindsight? Sure. At the time? Nooooo way. People were Hella salty every patch.

Yes but there was a lot to talk about.
People don’t get that MKX was exciting cause of the frequent changes. Major changes at that lol
Unlike mk1 it takes 6months for minor changes.

 

[Trickywizard]

I mean most people on this site don't even play the game, so...

Yo real shit. 99% of MK1 critics haven’t played the game in over a year…. That’s wild.

 

[Krasiox]

Yes but there was a lot to talk about.
People don’t get that MKX was exciting cause of the frequent changes. Major changes at that lol
Unlike mk1 it takes 6months for minor changes.

At least were getting changes somewhat frequently even if theyre not that big, MK11 days were absolutely dead beside dlc drop

 

[Trickywizard]

I've avoided expanding on this opinion for awhile because I don't want to point fingers or stir hate but If content creators and community leaders (pillars) were better, there would be more discussion about the game. And a lot of additional benefits would trickle down from there.

In MK9 players talked about tech, MUs, Tier list etc now it’s all hate or love for the game.
Nothing is being talked about in character general threads.
I tried getting a thread going in the Kung Lao forum nothing lol

 

[ImpostorOak]

I need to make content to criticize it?

I'm just saying they don't exactly make the type of content that promotes the FGC necessarily, from what I see. I'm making light of how that isn't an example of what I'm talking about wanting to see.

This is what I mean by a circle jerk. That defensive ass comment would get looked down on and pointed out as a logical fallacy if used by or toward a different user criticizing a different channel.

Ima log back out

 

[Eldriken]

In MK9 players talked about tech, MUs, Tier list etc now it’s all hate or love for the game.
Nothing is being talked about in character general threads.
I tried getting a thread going in the Kung Lao forum nothing lol

Now that you mention it, I don't see any of that going on either. Maybe it's all in the Discord server(s) now?

 

[Vulgar]

I need to make content to criticize it?

I'm just saying they don't exactly make the type of content that promotes the FGC necessarily, from what I see. I'm making light of how that isn't an example of what I'm talking about wanting to see.

This is what I mean by a circle jerk. That defensive ass comment would get looked down on and pointed out as a logical fallacy if used by or toward a different user criticizing a different channel.

Ima log back out

It's not "defensive" to correct someone just being wrong, which you are.

Serious projection here.

They consistently commentate big NRS events, have plenty of guides for characters and Kameos, do deep dives on how characters across NRS games work competitively, stream themselves playing high level sets, post tier lists w/ discussion, I'm not really sure what more you want.

Also you equating being corrected on an ass take as being a "circle jerk" is actually insane. Very out of touch with reality.

Honestly, this entire post can be summarized up as, "People disagree with me, so they're obviously the ones in the wrong."

It gives cognitive dissonance.

It gives unserious person.

It gives Bozo the Clown.

It gives Bonehead.

 

[Vulgar]

I don't think that's even remotely close to the goal or a requirement.

But the answer is absolutely yes.

Fun fact: Sajam came from our community. Used to call himself Superman Sajam.

He's come a long way.

 

[Vulgar]

Pictured: The twins talking about the Competitive history of Liu Kang, including discussing the tournament viability of the character in all MKs that saw heavy tournament play:

They also heavily promote Viennality and other EU players/events.

 

[Krasiox]

Now that you mention it, I don't see any of that going on either. Maybe it's all in the Discord server(s) now?

Alot of comp talk is in the discord servers/twitter.

 

[M2Dave]

I don't cosign for Tanya buffs but armor launchers need to either function the same for everyone (some characters don't have the option, some do it with only 1 kameo, some do it too easy, with half the kameos) or not be in the game at all. What would you change and add deffensive wise to make armor not as polarizing ?

I agree with Eji...

Hard disagree. Character variety hinges on things like defensive options being varied. Not everyone needs a DP in street fighter, not everyone needs the same armored launcher in MK1.

I really like the idea of safe (and launching, depending on the character and kameo) armor that costs two bars, but obviously not for every character.

For this reason, I have had the most fun and success with Kung Lao and Sektor in Kombat League.

As far as Tanya is concerned, seeking guidance needs more perks when fully charged. For instance...

The projectile should destroy other projectiles.

The armor should be safe on block and deal more damage, but change the animation to a hard knockdown in order to avoid juggles.

If your idea of "good" zoning is just locking someone down from full screen like General Zod or Freddy, then I think your view of zoning is limited.

I am not advocating for Freddy or Zod.

If you pay attention to any of my recent posts, my definition of "good" zoning has changed dramatically.

I believe that a game like Injustice 2 played too slowly and needed more anti-zoning options.

However, Mortal Kombat 1 breast feeds you anti-zoning milk.

The Sub Zero kameo is essentially a safeguard against zoning.

Where is my safeguard against Ghostface's vortex? Kenshi's Sento sandwich? Scorpion/Ferra's 50/50 mix ups?

 

[Vulgar]

I agree with Eji...



I really like the idea of safe (and launching, depending on the character and kameo) armor that costs two bars, but obviously not for every character.

For this reason, I have had the most fun and success with Kung Lao and Sektor in Kombat League.

As far as Tanya is concerned, seeking guidance needs more perks when fully charged. For instance...

The projectile should destroy other projectiles.

The armor should be safe on block and deal more damage, but change the animation to a hard knockdown in order to avoid juggles.



I am not advocating for Freddy or Zod.

If you pay attention to any of my recent posts, my definition of "good" zoning has changed dramatically.

I believe that a game like Injustice 2 played too slowly and needed more anti-zoning options.

However, Mortal Kombat 1 breast feeds you anti-zoning milk.

The Sub Zero kameo is essentially a safeguard against zoning.

Where is my safeguard against Ghostface's vortex and Kenshi's Sento sandwich?

So you're just going to clip one part out of my post and not the rest where I said something like a push block would be good?

Come on, man.

 

[Vulgar]

Alot of comp talk is in the discord servers/twitter.

Ehhh most pros just use Twitter to post swag combos and demand nerfs/buffs.

 

[M2Dave]

So you're just going to clip one part out of my post and not the rest where I said something like a push block would be good?

I used to believe that push block was the solution, which stood true in the early Cyrax/Kung Lao/Stryker meta when every string was basically plus on block.

The meta has changed since then.

I approve of what NRS has done with characters like Kung Lao and Sektor.

A couple of more characters should have safe armor.

Definitely fully charged Tanya.

Probably two-bar safe armor for old Shang Tsung.

 

[Juggs]

I need to make content to criticize it?

I'm just saying they don't exactly make the type of content that promotes the FGC necessarily, from what I see. I'm making light of how that isn't an example of what I'm talking about wanting to see.

This is what I mean by a circle jerk. That defensive ass comment would get looked down on and pointed out as a logical fallacy if used by or toward a different user criticizing a different channel.

Ima log back out

No, it’s just annoying when people bash others hard work and efforts. Especially coming from people who haven’t contributed all that much (afaik) and are mocking people who have done so much for the scene. Ketchup and Mustard have done an insane amount for the MK/NRS community. From their content, supporting the games/community, them actually traveling and competing in tournaments, them constantly commentating and/or helping run events, etc. Constructive criticism is perfectly fine, but that’s not what you did. You literally laughed at someone bringing them up, and then mocked them.

It’s akin to the stream monsters in chat who will shit on a competitors gameplay who is playing on stream in a tournament. Like sure, the chatters are allowed to mock or “criticize” the players even though they’re at home alone in their underwear with cheeto dust stained fingers furiously typing away, but at least the player is there participating, putting themselves out there, supporting the game & community, etc.