Scoot Magee
But I didn't want to dash
It's not only that though. You woukd be able to use up stamina rushing down and still break immediately after making mistake in a lot of cases. Breaker costing a whole bar makes it more risky to run in.
It's not only that though. You woukd be able to use up stamina rushing down and still break immediately after making mistake in a lot of cases. Breaker costing a whole bar makes it more risky to run in.
True.
But still just because you can push them off doesn't mean they can't still build a ton of meter. If you don't have a bar or you need your bar you're going to have to deal with the block pressure. Those characters still have the meter building advantage regardless.
Improved block breakers will serve to deal with pressure such as D'Vorah's f+1,1,2 xx GWC pressure, Erron Black's 2,1,1,2,2 pressure, Johnny Cage's b+1,2 pressure, Kung Lao's EX hat spin pressure, Quan Chi's EX rune pressure, etc. without having to normalize any specific block frame advantages.
No duh you'd have to deal with the block pressure. My point was why would you need to breaker Kano, Goro, Kitana, Jason, Ermac, Sub-Zero, a good portion of the cast. They will do a string and it will be over, you'll take like 3% chip damage, push block that for me, I'll be grateful. I just made you lose a bar of meter and a bar of stamina to stop yourself from taking 3% chip congrats. It would just give options against characters who do/gain obessive amounts of chip/meter is all. And give block breaker meaning.
It's not really all about chip damage if block breakers are going to work how you mentioned. 1 bar of meter is a pretty low price tag to get out of potential bad situations. For instance, ermacs strings leave him at a great distance to whiff punish, IA green ball and 50/50. Push block can avoid that whole situation. Sub zero could be canceling a string into a clone and you prevent it by push blocking him. I can't confidently comment on what kitana, goro and jason can do so I wont.
It's one bar of meter and one stamina. I don't know what Ermac is gonna do. What I had in mind was about two characters lengths away for the push block. And even if it was mild, his B3 wouldn't reach. So it doesn't set him up for a 50/50.
Dave that's fine I understand that point but how will that affect the rest of the game? It will be one bar of meter to get out of any bad situation, that can really hurt some characters. I'm not sitting here just worried about if I can just FBC all day, there's been suggestions that would actually help fireball cancels floating around in this thread that I spoke out against.
I didn't mean that he would 50/50 after being push blocked. I meant that you have incentive to push block him to keep out of a bad situation where you would have to deal with a mix up. Good ermac players don't just run in 50/50 as much because of how unsafe it is. They usually condition with a string to push you to a good range and give themselves more options than just a raw 50/50.
So these very small nitpicking situations, that I'd personally gladly let my opponent waste a bar of meter and stamina on, are your reasons against it? Is there any situations that would just be game breaking to characters who'd have this option? I mean... I'm just trying to think about the entirety of the game.
I never claimed it would be game breaking, I just don't like what I think the game can evolve into. The game has been out for about 2 and a half months and we're already talking about completely revamping the block breaker system before we actually fully understand the game. Every week it's a different strategy or a different character that people bitch about. The game has barely been explored and everyone is jumping to completely change a universal mechanic in the game. I'm not saying I'm absolutely right but I believe it could possibly make the game worse. If anything other changes could be made if it turns out that some of this stuff is way too strong relative to what other characters can do in the long run.
Even though the writing is on the wall and the meta of the game is extremely simplistic, I agree that we should wait until buffing universal gameplay features.
I don't mind waiting it out either. But if another 2 and a half months go by and people still are not using the block breaker system...perhaps then it would be a better time for NRS to look into it perhaps.
I think that would be the smart way to go about it. I'm not against gameplay changes but I think a better understanding of the game is required before any big decisions are made.
Well there's situations where the block breaker does work as intended, people just have the wrong idea on what it is or just want to change what it is.
Also I want to say I would completely support you having a good runaway character in mkx. I felt extremely satisfied when I got in on your zod with arrow. It's very fun to me tbh.
I don't know if I'd go that far, but I agree with you on the pacing of the game. It's going to be hard to do seeing as the entire game is fast paced and run is utilized a lot with rushdown characters. If we as the community want this game to be slower than the games mechanics would need to be altered.
nah its really not that bad as far as balance goes. its not as bad as NRS's previous games already and its way better than the overwhelming majority of anime and capcom games. i also think i wordered it poorly when i said "slow down the pace of the match". its not that i want the game to be slower, i just feel that the game is way too disrespectful and there are too few things in the game that really make your opponent stop and have to hold that after a knockdown. i usually find myself losing to people who are way worse than me because im playing too respectful and they're just kinda doing shit
Both of these things are untrue. Saltface got top 4 at ECT with just Mileena and DJT just won Xbattles with Johnny Cage.
Guilty Gear XRD:Sign and USF4 are more balanced than MKX. There's no arguing against that.
Then how is it balanced? If you're playing a fighting game the way a fighter is supposed to be played and you're losing to others who just do random shit and get away with it for free then it's not balanced. This game is far from broken, but there are issues with how the game is being played. A lot of characters are fair, due to pros and cons he/she may have, while the top characters aren't as fair as the rest of the cast and that's because they abuse the games mechanics and manipulate them in their favor to a certain degree. They're nowhere near as abusive as Kabal, Cyrax, and Kenshi was in MK9 though. All the top characters build meter quickly, are pretty safe upclose, and have a 50/50 coin toss leading to 40+ damage with corner carry. Now, I can see this game going two ways, one is that all the characters end up playing the same in terms of gameplan to keep up with the meta, or the other is that the "problem" characters, and I'm using the quotation marks for humor, end up playing like a lot of the fair characters. In other words, have mixups that are in target combos which can be seen coming which means you have to open people up in order to get damage. This will equate to a players skill level. Skilled players will be able to get damage via mixups like in SF or KoF by conditioning them to block a certain way and get what they want. Or, some characters will only have a low/overhead like Kano in two of his variations which means more skill is required to obtain the W over your opponent. It's hard to balance a game and NRS is doing a decent job trying to fix this game.
I did not watch the entire X-Battles, but I thought DJT mostly used Tempest Kung Lao. He definitely did in the grand finals.
He used a bunch of characters.Djt rarely goes with just one character from what i have seen
