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General/Other - Kobu Jutsu Guys I think Tanya is still good

Wolverine32

PSN: ADM_Wolverine
It kind of sucks that everyone hates Tanya just because of kobu jutsu..... I get hate online sometimes even though I don't pick kobu:( lol although I do remember one guy told me finally a Tanya player with skill (due to me use Dragon Naginata) :p. So now I wonder, will she still be hated as a character? Or will it just be Kobu jutsu that is hated?
It's just kobu... Pyro and DN aren't brain dead. Fighting pyro and DN are actually more difficult I find simply because the game plan isn't B1 EX rekkas and the same four or five moves over and over. But because they aren't as simple of a plan it's harder to impose especially without a move like the EX rekka. But I believe she will still be disliked due to her still being Tanya but I will respect those who play her much more now that she's been somewhat normalized. She'll still be a great char it's just up to those who play her to revamp her game plan and to not just abandon her because Kobu isn't god tier anymore...
 

Wolverine32

PSN: ADM_Wolverine
OMG YES! Draginata does require patience but that's why I use it. I think it's one of the few variations in the game that really requires patience and good space control. And the disjointed hitbox/hurt box on staff stance!:eek::D That comes in handy a lot.

One thing I don't understand is when people say she's brain dead in kobu. What do they mean? I get that a lot of people use b1 out the ass, but how exactly is she brain dead?
Kobu was brain dead because even if you didn't open up your opponent they still just ate chip to death and once it was your turn another b1 and your armor is broke and it's her turn again. A vast majority of the KJ Tanyas I faced on and offline would play exactly the same way and if us playing against her make one mistake it's almost game over. These nerfs will just place her level with the top tier and not in a class of her own
 

Dragons Rule!!!

"I enjoy these encounters."
Kobu was brain dead because even if you didn't open up your opponent they still just ate chip to death and once it was your turn another b1 and your armor is broke and it's her turn again. A vast majority of the KJ Tanyas I faced on and offline would play exactly the same way and if us playing against her make one mistake it's almost game over. These nerfs will just place her level with the top tier and not in a class of her own


That makes a lot of sense. Thanks!!!!
 

Wolverine32

PSN: ADM_Wolverine
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks!!!!
No problem! I understand how hard it is to not see if a char you play is brain dead unless you hear it from another player. I know as a Kung Jin main I get a lot of shit for throwing more than my fair share of njps but that's why Tanya throws out b1 so much... It's a good tool in her arsenal but comparable to KJ's njp it leads to way more chip and plus frames in the right hands. Also I didn't see that I replied to you twice on the same topic so sorry about! But if you're on xb1 we should play some sets sometime I can always use more Tanya MU experience
 

Dragons Rule!!!

"I enjoy these encounters."
No problem! I understand how hard it is to not see if a char you play is brain dead unless you hear it from another player. I know as a Kung Jin main I get a lot of shit for throwing more than my fair share of njps but that's why Tanya throws out b1 so much... It's a good tool in her arsenal but comparable to KJ's njp it leads to way more chip and plus frames in the right hands. Also I didn't see that I replied to you twice on the same topic so sorry about! But if you're on xb1 we should play some sets sometime I can always use more Tanya MU experience
I'd love to but im on ps4:(.
But on that note....Draginata Rules!!!:p
 

Wolverine32

PSN: ADM_Wolverine
No, you can use it for damage- oh wait. NRS flicked us over again.
Dude Tanya is still arguably top 5 even with the changes she received. You keep stating she needs a damage buff but for what..? Her chip damage pre patch was second to none and the chip change is universal. She still has insane pressure even if you don't take half their health in chip alone. She was normalized and will still be top tier. What justifications do you have for buffing her damage...?
 
Yeah, Tanya's still good, use EX Tonfa for a mind game, continuing pressure after using it or wait until your opponent tries to punish and punish.
Just now you're gonna use B1 instead of B12+4
 

EdenianWarrior

Kombatant
Dude Tanya is still arguably top 5 even with the changes she received. You keep stating she needs a damage buff but for what..? Her chip damage pre patch was second to none and the chip change is universal. She still has insane pressure even if you don't take half their health in chip alone. She was normalized and will still be top tier. What justifications do you have for buffing her damage...?
They nerfed her damage for no reason and what reason was there for her flip kick and drill kick nerf? She never did that much damage anyway. She doesn't have a sharpen tool like Kitana anyway....
 

CompleteMadness

Apprentice
Her boomerang move was also changed she cannot cross up combo into air punch or she can't juggle with neutral punch no more. She lost tons of chip dmg. Her ex rekka I used all the time to wake up is gone. I find myself trapped in corner easy losing to characters I never had problems with. Her X X O chain can no longer be combod after a long chain combo. The dmg reduction is terrible, considering she has no damage without using a bar that was totally unnecessary. She's basically a new charachter and she gets nerfed every single patch...... I thought that with mk ruining her other variations kobu was fine but nope now they ruined her character entirely. I have never ever switched from my favorite character but I had enough of her nerfs and this one turned her into a garbage character from what I seen by playing people. Shame they ruined her, I'm moving on to Kitana since they changed my favorite character. Even thinking about quitting this game goingredients back to streetfighter 5, just waiting for injustice 2. But kitana looks like a fun character I'll try her first.
 

EdenianWarrior

Kombatant
Her boomerang move was also changed she cannot cross up combo into air punch or she can't juggle with neutral punch no more. She lost tons of chip dmg. Her ex rekka I used all the time to wake up is gone. I find myself trapped in corner easy losing to characters I never had problems with. Her X X O chain can no longer be combod after a long chain combo. The dmg reduction is terrible, considering she has no damage without using a bar that was totally unnecessary. She's basically a new charachter and she gets nerfed every single patch...... I thought that with mk ruining her other variations kobu was fine but nope now they ruined her character entirely. I have never ever switched from my favorite character but I had enough of her nerfs and this one turned her into a garbage character from what I seen by playing people. Shame they ruined her, I'm moving on to Kitana since they changed my favorite character. Even thinking about quitting this game goingredients back to streetfighter 5, just waiting for injustice 2. But kitana looks like a fun character I'll try her first.
How the fuck did you say everything I wanted to say??? Lol.
 

Wolverine32

PSN: ADM_Wolverine
They nerfed her damage for no reason and what reason was there for her flip kick and drill kick nerf? She never did that much damage anyway. She doesn't have a sharpen tool like Kitana anyway....
What does kitana have to do with any of this...? They nerfed her damage because of all the free chip she gets. She does around or near 40% for a bar. Which is on par with the rest of the cast... But she also does much more chip damage and is plus with her rekka pressure... No longer being god tier does not make a need for a damage buff. She still has an armored OH and an armored low wakeup/reversal. Sorry if she doesn't do Quans pre-patch damage and have an armored move that hits twice and blows up almost all armor in the game so she's now only slightly above the majority of the cast. Why don't we bring back her invincible ex teleport (major sarcasm) so she's viable... She will be just fine and will just require more thought to play.
 

CompleteMadness

Apprentice
I'm glad they realized they butchered kobu so gave us Pyro back. I found my ex rekkas in dark shroud. Plus I always had an interest in Pyro but could never use it because they nerfed it to hell. I'm actually excited now to play pyro!
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
So nerfs to Kobu:
- damage reduction (seems like~6% per combo)
- b12+4 is slower
- b12+4 is -10 on block
- there is a gap between b12+4 and wreckers
- ex wreckers no longer have armour
- some change to 34 that makes combo-ing into db4 awkward
- ex tonfa toss is now 0 on block
- less advantage on ex tonfa toss (on hit)
- wreckers build little meter and do little chip (universal nerf)

They took her best string and made it a gimmick, crippled her damage, took away her best armoured move and got rid of ex tonfa toss block strings. They also nerfed her chip damage which considering her lack of 50/50s was her way of threatening the opponent not to block.

She's now getting 30% for using one bar of meter midscreen. Cause that's fair lol.

In all honesty, if you thought she deserved all that, all power to you I guess.
 
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Wolverine32

PSN: ADM_Wolverine
Best string, not the only string, but you wouldn't know that from watching her matches. And there are still characters and variations that would kill to have all the tools she does have. Also, a universal nerf is not something that should be brought up. It's applied to every character across the board to make the game reward good defense. Her ex rekkas were too good with armor. They destroyed every armor but goros and led to either insane chip or a full combo. She will be just fine not being leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.
 

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
So nerfs to Kobu:
- damage reduction (seems like~6% per combo)
- b12+4 is slower
- b12+4 is -10 on block
- there is a gap between b12+4 and wreckers
- ex wreckers no longer have armour
- some change to 34 that makes combo-ing into db4 awkward
- ex tonfa toss is now 0 on block
- less advantage on ex tonfa toss (on hit)
- wreckers build little meter and do little chip (universal nerf)

They took her best string and made it a gimmick, crippled her damage, took away her best armoured move and got rid of ex tonfa toss block strings. They also nerfed her chip damage which considering her lack of 50/50s was her way of threatening the opponent not to block.

She's now getting 30% for using one bar of meter midscreen. Cause that's fair lol.

In all honesty, if you thought she deserved all that, all power to you I guess.
I hardly use Tonya and that is way to much for even me to take in. :(
 

Dragons Rule!!!

"I enjoy these encounters."
I kind of want to take up kobu in this state and see how playable she still is. I think she's fine, you'll just have to work around her problems like we Tanya players always have. We got through the teleport nerf. We got through the the tele-cancel nerf. That pyro nerf....not so much:confused:. But I'm pretty sure someone's still going to be a badass kobu jutsu master even after all this.
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
Best string, not the only string, but you wouldn't know that from watching her matches. And there are still characters and variations that would kill to have all the tools she does have. Also, a universal nerf is not something that should be brought up. It's applied to every character across the board to make the game reward good defense. Her ex rekkas were too good with armor. They destroyed every armor but goros and led to either insane chip or a full combo. She will be just fine not being leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.
> plays Kung Jin
> Complains about braindead

:coffee:
 

Wolverine32

PSN: ADM_Wolverine
I kind of want to take up kobu in this state and see how playable she still is. I think she's fine, you'll just have to work around her problems like we Tanya players always have. We got through the teleport nerf. We got through the the tele-cancel nerf. That pyro nerf....not so much:confused:. But I'm pretty sure someone's still going to be a badass kobu jutsu master even after all this.
Thank you for saying it. Everyone complains about her normalizations. Like no one saw this coming... Just like every other char that received nerfs, you just have to change the way you play her instead of gripe and whine.