Question - Sub-Zero Got the game early, q&a about Subzero moveset etc(no story spoilers)

[Qwark28]

i dont understand what you trying to say. all i said is subtitute the jab into 123 slide in the corner combo with b21 slide. does 1% more. has nothing to do with set ups lol

What I'm repeating is that 123 creates setups after the slide knockdown due to string's juggle properties. B12 does not.

 

[Qwark28]

I'll elaborate more once I release the SZ beginner's guide.

 

[Roob]

Better hard knockdown and for more frames. There are setups afterwards.

Im interested in this, so there are ways to increase the frames your opponent is knocked down?

 

[XoXShad0wXoX]

I'll elaborate more once I release the SZ beginner's guide.

Dat ninja burn. I like your style.

 

[Qwark28]

Im interested in this, so there are ways to increase the frames your opponent is knocked down?

The higher height you hit your opponent out of with a move causing a hard knockdown, the longer the duration they're downed for. Joker in IGAU used this concept to apply unblockable 100% combos.

 

[Qwark28]

Dat ninja burn. I like your style.

Wasn't intended that way.

The guide is probably mid lvl, not that beginner-y.

 

[bluzenblazen]

F4,2 clone in the corner is my favorite day one block set up. You can either b2 or dash up low afterwards. If b2 hits, they land on clone and you get a neutral jump 1 combo.

 

[Qwark28]

F4,2 clone in the corner is my favorite day one block set up. You can either b2 or dash up low afterwards. If b2 hits, they land on clone and you get a neutral jump 1 combo.

This only happens if they get hit by a normal cancelled into clone and from certain distances. It means you missed a hit confirm.

 

[bluzenblazen]

This only happens if they get hit by a normal cancelled into clone and from certain distances. It means you missed a hit confirm.

Ah, my bad. Thanks for the info.

 

[loogie]

This only happens if they get hit by a normal cancelled into clone and from certain distances. It means you missed a hit confirm.

after a blocked f42 clone or a d4 clone in the corner, if you hit opponent with slide they land (toes touch the clone) and they freeze.
pretty sure slide also lands them in the clone.

 

[Qwark28]

after a blocked f42 clone or a d4 clone in the corner, if you hit opponent with slide they land (toes touch the clone) and they freeze.

Go to practice mode and check again. It's F42 on hit, block pushes you back so the clone can't freeze.

 

[Roob]

The higher height you hit your opponent out of with a move causing a hard knockdown, the longer the duration they're downed for. Joker in IGAU used this concept to apply unblockable 100% combos.

so a higher altitude juggle will cause a hard knockdown rendering them unable to wake up or tech roll right away, potentially allowing you to follow up an perhaps force them up with either a low, overhead or mid perhaps????????

 

[Roob]

The higher height you hit your opponent out of with a move causing a hard knockdown, the longer the duration they're downed for. Joker in IGAU used this concept to apply unblockable 100% combos.

i would love to learn this for some better corner pressuring on characters with safe wake up tp's and nullifying any wake ups so i can continue keeping them trapped

 

[Qwark28]

so a higher altitude juggle will cause a hard knockdown rendering them unable to wake up or tech roll right away, potentially allowing you to follow up an perhaps force them up with either a low, overhead or mid perhaps????????

that's not how hard knockdowns work. They can wake up, they can't tech roll.

What long hard knockdown would do is give you more time to better position the clone.

 

[Roob]

that's not how hard knockdowns work. They can wake up, they can't tech roll.

What long hard knockdown would do is give you more time to better position the clone.

so there's a delay in their tech rolls or wake ups? couldnt the time being used to set up a better positioned klone be used to sprint up on your opponent and some how force him up before he could even wake up?

 

[Qwark28]

so there's a delay in their tech rolls or wake ups? couldnt the time being used to set up a better positioned klone be used to sprint up on your opponent and some how force him up before he could even wake up?

You can't tech roll out of a hard knockdown, that's the hard knockdown's primary function and reason it's called that.

You always want to set up a clone, and no.

 

[Roob]

You can't tech roll out of a hard knockdown, that's the hard knockdown's primary function and reason it's called that.

You always want to set up a clone, and no.

mmmmmmmmm alright thanks, sorry but just to clarify, they can still wake up after a hard knockdown?

i understand i need to set up a klone but against characters with wake up tp's, setting up klones have been leaving me open to the tp and allowing them to get out.

im trying to find a technique that would stop them from using their wake up tp's completely (other then just waiting for the wake up and blocking) because if i went straight for setting up a klone the wake up tp's still connect with me