Got it early, anything you wanna know? (Non story related)

[_CHINOCUDEIRO_]

Geras frames?
You guys are AWESOME

 

[Testurmight19]

I think people need to stop freaking out until the game comes out. Since most modes are online only, the day one patch might change alot of stuff

 

[trufenix]

I think people need to stop freaking out until the game comes out. Since most modes are online only, the day one patch might change alot of stuff

no, if the game isn't perfect a week before release, they shouldn't have fucking released it.

 

[DDustiNN]

I think people need to stop freaking out until the game comes out. Since most modes are online only, the day one patch might change alot of stuff

Day one patch is live, and the servers are up.

 

[Testurmight19]

no, if the game isn't perfect a week before release, they shouldn't have fucking released it.

Lmao No such thing as a perfect game, especially a fighting game

 

[1man3letters]

Cassie dual wielding cancel: (no cost): Shit sucks but I already wrote them down so here
11 DWC: -22 ob, -14 oh
111 DWC: -19 ob, -14 oh
12 DWC: -18 ob, -6 oh
2 DWC: -24 ob, -6 oh
21 DWC: -22 ob, -6 oh
b2 DWC: -19 ob, -12 oh
b24 DWC: -12 ob, -9 oh
f2 DWC: -16 ob, 0 oh
f4 DWC: -22 ob, -5 oh
4 DWC: -20 ob, -15 oh
f34 DWC: -30 ob, +1 oh
f41 DWC: -20 ob, -1 oh

Messed with Erron's Lock n loaded cancels but all that shit is in the -30 numbers so just know its painfully slow.

Also his f4 MB is only on block, he does a -10 low gunshot while he's on the ground.

Raiden's Superman cancels are all -15 or higher but he's super far out after so they might be worthwhile. Cost 1 def bar tho.


Now, frames and other shit

Erron frames (flip the inputs I was on 2p side.....)

Raiden frames

Subzero frames

Lao frames

Kotal throw brutality

Kitanas half blood stance cancels any use??
Or cetrions hold boulder cancels, im guessing those ones aren't just for how slow bolder is haha

Are her pokes really -9 on d1 and -10 on d3/d4 in game, that seems like a mistake like lol

 

[Crudebike]

Can I please get some kotal kahn combos bro?

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

Erron Rattlesnake slide cancel: (1 def bar)
f2 RSC: -15 ob, -4 oh
f32 RSC: -8 ob, mini launch oh
3 RSC: -14 ob, -9 oh
111 RSC: -20 ob, mini launch oh
b2 RSC: -15 ob, -1 oh
b22 RSC: -11 ob, -5 oh
4 RSC: -13 ob, -4 oh
b2u4 RSC: -5 ob, launch oh
212 RSC: -20 ob, +1 oh
2121 RSC: -24 ob, +13 oh
b1 RSC: -15 ob, -2 oh

for the 21212 string, first 2 hits are gapless then there's a gap before 3rd, 4th and 5th hit. Last one is -7 with lots of pushback tho.

 

[babalook]

I don't understand what they were thinking with these punishable cancels that cost defensive meter, why would anyone use these? As for Kabal's, I just don't see these being viable, the risk-reward is not at all balanced (minor plus frames at the cost of losing your breaker and the ones with half-decent adv on block are single hits so they can't be hit confirmed), not to mention the preset with NDC seems pretty atrocious with no combo or reset potential and subpar zoning at best (instant air and ground buzzsaws really weren't very good in the beta).

Does anyone know if cancels that leave you at like +9 or more on hit will link into normals like in MKX? Might make the raping cancels have received a bit less egregious.

 

[LinKueiBrazilianAssassin]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

Cassie dual wielding cancel: (no cost): Shit sucks but I already wrote them down so here
11 DWC: -22 ob, -14 oh
111 DWC: -19 ob, -14 oh
12 DWC: -18 ob, -6 oh
2 DWC: -24 ob, -6 oh
21 DWC: -22 ob, -6 oh
b2 DWC: -19 ob, -12 oh
b24 DWC: -12 ob, -9 oh
f2 DWC: -16 ob, 0 oh
f4 DWC: -22 ob, -5 oh
4 DWC: -20 ob, -15 oh
f34 DWC: -30 ob, +1 oh
f41 DWC: -20 ob, -1 oh

Messed with Erron's Lock n loaded cancels but all that shit is in the -30 numbers so just know its painfully slow.

Also his f4 MB is only on block, he does a -10 low gunshot while he's on the ground.

Raiden's Superman cancels are all -15 or higher but he's super far out after so they might be worthwhile. Cost 1 def bar tho.


Now, frames and other shit

Erron frames (flip the inputs I was on 2p side.....)

Raiden frames

Subzero frames

Lao frames

Kotal throw brutality

 

[LinKueiBrazilianAssassin]

Sub-Zero's rising ice is -4 LOL!!!

@TrulyAmiracle do you possibly know the other special moves frames?

again, thank you!

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

Anybody know if you can grab mid combo?

You cannot. Command grabs generally work though.

Any word on the frames for SZ's deep freeze, death-cicle barrage, and his ice-wall projectile (I forget the name)?

Deep freeze is -14 ob
icicles are +9 oh, -17 ob upclose, -11 max range. +5 on hit upclose, +10 max range. They go till halfsreen or so. 36f startup.

Ice wall:
-8 ob pointblank, 2 characters away 0 ob, +8-10 ob once it turns into a ball which around max slide distance, +16 ob fullscreen.
36f startup, knockdown on hit. Looks like it should combo to slide from far away but it doesnt.

air axe is -8 upclose if you do it instant, -10 if you're absolute point blank, instant from max range is +3 ob.
on hit it's +16 and +21 from max range but can't combo to anything, game doesn't allow it.

Kitanas half blood stance cancels any use??
Or cetrions hold boulder cancels, im guessing those ones aren't just for how slow bolder is haha

Are her pokes really -9 on d1 and -10 on d3/d4 in game, that seems like a mistake like lol

Boulder cancel sucks


Kitana d1 is indeed -9/+10 and d3 is -10/+5, d4 is -10/+11


Kitana Half blood cancels: no cost, really fast. Very good for tick throws
12 HBC: -5 ob, +3 ob
b1 HBC: -3 ob, +8 oh
b14 HBC: -10 ob, +4 oh
b13 HBC: -8 ob, +4 oh
21 HBC: -8 ob, +3 oh
b2 HBC: -8 ob, -2 oh
b23 HBC: -14 ob, +7 oh
b231 HBC: -15 ob, +6 oh
f2 HBC: -7 ob, +4 oh
32 HBC: -14 ob, +4 oh
2 HBC: -1 ob, +11 oh
b3 HBC: -7 ob, +9 oh
b33 HBC: -7 ob, mini launch oh

 

[Plomyde]

did u get to try subs arctic shit as a meaty?

 

[TheJaquio]

Deep freeze is -14 ob
icicles are +9 oh, -17 ob upclose, -11 max range. +5 on hit upclose, +10 max range. They go till halfsreen or so. 36f startup.

Ice wall:
-8 ob pointblank, 2 characters away 0 ob, +8-10 ob once it turns into a ball which around max slide distance, +16 ob fullscreen.
36f startup, knockdown on hit. Looks like it should combo to slide from far away but it doesnt.

air axe is -8 upclose if you do it instant, -10 if you're absolute point blank, instant from max range is +3 ob.
on hit

Wow, the on block frames actually aren't that bad--way better than what we saw in previous builds. Only real issue is the super slow startup.

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

I can sadly confirm that player 2 cannot use the costumes on the account, basically if you want 2p to be swagged out too you'd have to unlock the stuff again on the other account that they'll log in with..

Same nonsense as injustice 2. I really don't understand but whatever at least you can put on the abilities as they're all unlocked.


With the bad thing out of the way, here's frost stuff

Frost skins

Frost heads

Frost abilities

Jacqui abilities

Dvorah abilities

Kotal abilities

Raiden abilities

Cassie abilities

Does anyone know if cancels that leave you at like +9 or more on hit will link into normals like in MKX? Might make the raping cancels have received a bit less egregious.

You cannot. The game has an anti-linking thing after cancels where even if you're +11 you can't combo into your 7f normal or into specials. You basically get a free check or mixup there but no combo.
Same deal with a lot of air specials.

 

[babalook]

You cannot. The game has an anti-linking thing after cancels where even if you're +11 you can't combo into your 7f normal or into specials. You basically get a free check or mixup there but no combo.
Same deal with a lot of air specials.

I had a feeling this would be the case, I would have noticed linking move after NDC in the beta but I hoped it had changed. Thanks for the confirmation, guess they don't want cancels to be half as good as they were in the past two titles.

 

[Volcram]

I can sadly confirm that player 2 cannot use the costumes on the account, basically if you want 2p to be swagged out too you'd have to unlock the stuff again on the other account that they'll log in with..

Same nonsense as injustice 2. I really don't understand but whatever at least you can put on the abilities as they're all unlocked.


With the bad thing out of the way, here's frost stuff

Frost skins

Frost heads

Frost abilities

Jacqui abilities

Dvorah abilities

Kotal abilities

Raiden abilities

Cassie abilities

You cannot. The game has an anti-linking thing after cancels where even if you're +11 you can't combo into your 7f normal or into specials. You basically get a free check or mixup there but no combo.
Same deal with a lot of air specials.

Hey can you show the kotal sickles too?

 

[Gaxkang]

I can sadly confirm that player 2 cannot use the costumes on the account, basically if you want 2p to be swagged out too you'd have to unlock the stuff again on the other account that they'll log in with..

Same nonsense as injustice 2. I really don't understand but whatever at least you can put on the abilities as they're all unlocked.


With the bad thing out of the way, here's frost stuff

Frost skins

That's too bad about the player 2 yeah.

Looks like Frost's variation looks are not too varied I guess, and looks like they did get rid of her bald head look, that's a shame.

She still looks cool.

 

[Howtoread]

Can I ask how Frost's Glaciar Calving ability works/looks? Is it a shield that moves/stays in place etc?
I know the beta was the same, but some of the move descriptions are vague as hell unless you see them in action.

 

[legion666]

I can sadly confirm that player 2 cannot use the costumes on the account, basically if you want 2p to be swagged out too you'd have to unlock the stuff again on the other account that they'll log in with..

Same nonsense as injustice 2. I really don't understand but whatever at least you can put on the abilities as they're all unlocked.


With the bad thing out of the way, here's frost stuff

Frost skins

Frost heads

Frost abilities

Jacqui abilities

Dvorah abilities

Kotal abilities

Raiden abilities

Cassie abilities

You cannot. The game has an anti-linking thing after cancels where even if you're +11 you can't combo into your 7f normal or into specials. You basically get a free check or mixup there but no combo.
Same deal with a lot of air specials.

D’Vorah’s Mother Bug ability says that it modifies the Resurrect ability. Does that mean that she has resurrect in every variation?!?)

Also, @TrulyAmiracle can you please post Kollector’s abilities. Thank you!!

 

[Jabberwockxeno]

I can sadly confirm that player 2 cannot use the costumes on the account, basically if you want 2p to be swagged out too you'd have to unlock the stuff again on the other account that they'll log in with..

Same nonsense as injustice 2. I really don't understand but whatever at least you can put on the abilities as they're all unlocked.


With the bad thing out of the way, here's frost stuff

Frost skins

Frost heads

Frost abilities

Jacqui abilities

Dvorah abilities

Kotal abilities

Raiden abilities

Cassie abilities

You cannot. The game has an anti-linking thing after cancels where even if you're +11 you can't combo into your 7f normal or into specials. You basically get a free check or mixup there but no combo.
Same deal with a lot of air specials.

Hey, could you please show off Kotal's sickles/hooks?

I'm on it

Or you?

 

[Slymind]

Anybody know if you can grab mid combo?

I recall people saying that was gone.

 

[liljay273]

Shao Kahn abilities?

 

[LinKueiBrazilianAssassin]

Sub-Zero intros/outros?

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

Alright some more abilities

Kollector abilities

Certrion abilities

Noob abilities

Kotal's sicklessss

Subzero bootleg clone testing

You can also set it up while they're frozen from iceball, then jump over and force them into, -8 if they block it.