Firestorm MU Discussion

[RM Jonnitti]

oh also my bad i meant air bf3 as an anti air not grounded bf3

 

[RM Jonnitti]

also keep in mind b12 is a hard knockdown and most wakeups in this game on't have frame 1 invincibility so you can meaty the fuck out of people

 

[younggwisdomm]

Yup, also you can play mind games whether to mb trap or not, and you can stagger his b1. Also use plenty of b2 and d3.

 

[masherofbuttons]

Aight boys. Imo Firestorm is def top 10. He's solid all around. Great at mid-range, becomes a strong zoner vs characters that have trouble getting in against traditional zoners, has some of the highest corner damage and pressure in the game, and a solid staggerable mid-screen and corner mixup game that can't be ignored. He needs meter to do any damage midscreen without trait but most of your midscreen combos will carry to the corner or restand in the corner depending on where you start, so the meter is very worth it. As a top 150 leaderboard Firestorm in ranked, I've played almost every matchup whether in ranked or sets with different specialists. As far as how he does against top 5 characters, i believe he goes even with supes, even with deadshot, loses to batman, even with black adam, and beats aquaman 6-4. Firestorm can punish tent strike from any range and trait doesn't help aqua in the mu at all. Some more losing mus I see are Green Lantern and Darkseid.

I haven't played the MU extensively, but so far I didn't have too much trouble against GL. What makes you think this is a bad matchup? Not hating, just wondering what you think of it.
According to these numbers though, firestorm is almost the perfect character to complement scarecrow and his good and bad matchups

 

[The_Tile]

I dunno why people aren't talking about B2 more. Pretty sure it's his farthest reaching normal, hits OH so it's great for checking people ducking the traps from mid range and can be used as a 50/50 in the same way as the B1 string with B2 or raw molten trap. Great for making people block high after a reset midscreen and in the corner, as a walk forward B2 will catch jumps and beat buttons if timed right. And it's safe unlike B12.

And oh yeah, it launches when level 3 traits active.

 

[younggwisdomm]

GL seems to control mid-screen better and his b1 outranges anything firestorm can do at that range. His zoning is also much better imo and he gets guaranteed pressure off alot of firestorms strings. And if your offense relies on going for b1 mixups they guess right your eating full combo/reset. Maybe it could just be me lol but I played a set with kinetic orochi and a GL friend of mine and gl just has better tools in the mu imo.

 

[younggwisdomm]

I dunno why people aren't talking about B2 more. Pretty sure it's his farthest reaching normal, hits OH so it's great for checking people ducking the traps from mid range and can be used as a 50/50 in the same way as the B1 string with B2 or raw molten trap. Great for making people block high after a reset midscreen and in the corner, as a walk forward B2 will catch jumps and beat buttons if timed right. And it's safe unlike B12.

And oh yeah, it launches when level 3 traits active.

Yea his b2 is great. Idk i have to test this more but i was playing vs batman and firestorms b2 beat out his mb b3 idk what happened but it seems to possibly go over a few lower hitbox moves. Also his b2 is great as a meaty for Black Adam's wakeup. Use b2 everytime.

 

[masherofbuttons]

GL seems to control mid-screen better and his b1 outranges anything firestorm can do at that range. His zoning is also much better imo and he gets guaranteed pressure off alot of firestorms strings. And if your offense relies on going for b1 mixups they guess right your eating full combo/reset. Maybe it could just be me lol but I played a set with kinetic orochi and a GL friend of mine and gl just has better tools in the mu imo.

Idk, I was doing quite well keeping GL in check with molten traps in the zoning war. Backdashing and armoring b1 isn't specific to firestorm but it worked really well. I might try to get some more MU experience with some good GL players

 

[younggwisdomm]

Yea i def need some more too

 

[The_Tile]

Also has anyone found his cross up setup off ending a corner combo with MbMoltenTrap then leaving them standing with 11? Just checking before I post anything

 

[younggwisdomm]

Leave them standing with normal molten trap. Only 1 less frame of advantage and you can do the same cross-up concept.

 

[ArmedCalf]

Guys, I'm gonna explore the rest of the MU's, but I'm probably gonna drop this character. His tools are good but other than like...Scarecrow and Swamp Thing iunno who this character beats.

 

[ArmedCalf]

He definitely goes even with a fuck ton of people though

 

[PharaohLite]

He definitely goes even with a fuck ton of people though

Yeah. I main lantern now lmao. It was fun while it lasted, but once you play about 300 ranked games with Firestorm only, you realize other character do his job better and more easily.

 

[The_Tile]

Anyone else have b1,2 wiff vs black canary or any small hit box characters.

happens at 12 seconds.

Damn that's fucked up, this happens with Adam's OH in his F1 string as well apparently

 

[The_Tile]

Also I was having real bad trouble with Darkseid's tele shenanigans but you can forward dash every time you see an air tele and if he stomps you can whiff punish it with BD2Mb for a full combo. Useful to know

 

[Rabid Justice]

With black Adams f1 string you just can't be point blank range as the mid will be active on the other side of her when crouched. The same thing happens with fire storm f2,1 with her.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Also I was having real bad trouble with Darkseid's tele shenanigans but you can forward dash every time you see an air tele and if he stomps you can whiff punish it with BD2Mb for a full combo. Useful to know

Neutral J3

When Darkshit teleports, hell tele into the J3. You can link a combo from the J3 and make him respect you.

 

[ChatterBox]

Anyone else have b1,2 wiff vs black canary or any small hit box characters.

happens at 12 seconds.

yea scarecrow does this a lot to me as well

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Deadshot appears to me to be his worst MU. I can't beat a good one to save my life.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Deadshot appears to me to be his worst MU. I can't beat a good one to save my life.

Turn off competitive and put Firestorm's air projectile that hits low and can hit close or full screen.It neutralizes DS. I'm being sarcastic here.

However DS has some great normals and 50s, so we have to be on our best spacing game as possible. DS's normals and projectiles basically go under everything FS has. Also air to air, DS wins.

 

[younggwisdomm]

Deadshot isn't that bad. Air dash helps to get in and just be patient. Not knowing how to beat Deadshot doesn't mean FIRESTORM loses the mu, it means YOU just dont know how to beat that character in general. Firestorm deadshot 5-5, and i've played a fair share of deadshots and beaten fullauto's as well as p2w's in ranked.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Deadshot isn't that bad. Air dash helps to get in and just be patient. Not knowing how to beat Deadshot doesn't mean FIRESTORM loses the mu, it means YOU just dont know how to beat that character in general. Firestorm deadshot 5-5, and i've played a fair share of deadshots and beaten fullauto's as well as p2w's in ranked.

zoning isn't even the worst problem in the MU tho.
Deadshot has very good footsies tools and mixups that must be respected midrange.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Deadshot isn't that bad. Air dash helps to get in and just be patient. Not knowing how to beat Deadshot doesn't mean FIRESTORM loses the mu, it means YOU just dont know how to beat that character in general. Firestorm deadshot 5-5, and i've played a fair share of deadshots and beaten fullauto's as well as p2w's in ranked.

bitch I literally made a guide on how to beat deadshot. Can you please post a Ft5 of you vs any competent deadshot? Im clearly missing something here

 

[younggwisdomm]

lmao u mad fam? and we dont need a guide from somebody that doesn't get placings anymore. I dont need to prove myself, im posting on this thread to help others which you not doing with the bs you spitting out. Gtfo lmao