Firestorm MU Discussion

[Scoot Magee]

There is no respecting that MB Flame carpet at all. You can literally jump or mb b3 after blocking the regular version and if your character is close enough to you, you can get full combo punished every time.

Good to know.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

He's

There is no respecting that MB Flame carpet at all. You can literally jump or mb b3 after blocking the regular version and if your character is close enough to you, you can get full combo punished every time.

He's right. I've never been mbb3'd on it but I've eaten plenty of nj2's o make me want to stop using this as a "mixup" tool. I'll confirm a mb if I'm trying to catch forward movement or I'll use it on a hit confirm in a string but I don't use this on block anymore.

 

[ArmedCalf]

How do you play out the Harley mu? Haven't really played it yet

I need to take her into the lab but it didn't feel terrible by any means. I zone, punish her air guns, punish her tantrum stance options, all while trying not to get mixed to death

 

[ArmedCalf]

Atrocitus is fine
Superman is actually kinda tough
Canary seems fine
Supergirl is tough

 

[xQUANTUMx]

Atrocitus is fine
Superman is actually kinda tough
Canary seems fine
Supergirl is tough

canary seems manageable but gatdam she lo pros so much of your shit. Plus there's inconsistent hitbox issues. I was in a set with a friend and on 2 occasions I caught her in a mb trap and b3'd and that shit WHIFFED

 

[PharaohLite]

Atrocitus is fine
Superman is actually kinda tough
Canary seems fine
Supergirl is tough

Ive found that air bf3 is very good to deal with supemans that love to jump and do lasers

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

His f3 is pretty quick, and deals massive damage. Bd2 yes is only a starter when mb but can hit from 3/4 screen.

Isnt it 28 frames ?

 

[RM Jonnitti]

only character that seems to give me a real issue is aquaman. theres a lot of bummy aquamans on the internet but Riyo changed made me realize tis a lot harder than you think. a lot of them aren't blocking low after a blocked FTD. nobody else really seems all too overwhelming and at the very least you can always drill people with your 50/50. he seems to do exceptionally well against black adam and does pretty well against the other zoners in the game since you will always win exchanges if you challenge with flame carpet

 

[RM Jonnitti]

Lack of AA is probably the only true weakness. He doesn't need a 50/50

he has both of those things though

 

[kevkopdx]

he has both of those things though

he only has a 50/50 in the corner(if that is even considered a 50/50) and what good AA? his AAs suck

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

he only has a 50/50 in the corner(if that is even considered a 50/50) and what good AA? his AAs suck

His DB3 special move is pretty dope and covers a lot of space and has good recover, it's honestly better than anything I ever used with Nightwing or Blue Beetle. I use to play with Bane so his anti airs were OP. Firestorm is very solid. Most fun character in the game for me right now. I love his mid range game. His normals low profile a lot of characters normals.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

F3 is 28 frames and the range on it sucks lol

 

[RM Jonnitti]

he only has a 50/50 in the corner(if that is even considered a 50/50) and what good AA? his AAs suck

b12 or b1 xx flame carpet. b12 gives a hard knockdown and you can walk up and meat b1 and it will beat out wakeups. haven't gotten the timing down consistently but i have stuffed out people before. use bf3 as an anti air

 

[kevkopdx]

b12 or b1 xx flame carpet. b12 gives a hard knockdown and you can walk up and meat b1 and it will beat out wakeups. haven't gotten the timing down consistently but i have stuffed out people before. use bf3 as an anti air

but b1xxflame carpet is just a string, not a 50/50, bf3 isnt that great as an anti air, plus it doesnt convert to anything

 

[RM Jonnitti]

but b1xxflame carpet is just a string, not a 50/50, bf3 isnt that great as an anti air, plus it doesnt convert to anything

the 50/50 comes after you block the b1. b12 is mid overhead and b1 flame carpet is mid low

 

[NorCalSamurai]

After playing firestorm for a while I can say he's hot garbage. He has NO reliable AA and no overhead or low starters. His damage is medium. He has good corner carry and a decent crouch 1. He has no safe wakeup options. Too bad when you get your opponent to the corner you have no high/low mixups. He has almost no redeeming qualities.

Y'all see what MKX did to this fucking community?

No 50/50 = F tier. Good to know.

 

[younggwisdomm]

Aight boys. Imo Firestorm is def top 10. He's solid all around. Great at mid-range, becomes a strong zoner vs characters that have trouble getting in against traditional zoners, has some of the highest corner damage and pressure in the game, and a solid staggerable mid-screen and corner mixup game that can't be ignored. He needs meter to do any damage midscreen without trait but most of your midscreen combos will carry to the corner or restand in the corner depending on where you start, so the meter is very worth it. As a top 150 leaderboard Firestorm in ranked, I've played almost every matchup whether in ranked or sets with different specialists. As far as how he does against top 5 characters, i believe he goes even with supes, even with deadshot, loses to batman, even with black adam, and beats aquaman 6-4. Firestorm can punish tent strike from any range and trait doesn't help aqua in the mu at all. Some more losing mus I see are Green Lantern and Darkseid.

 

[RM Jonnitti]

Aight boys. Imo Firestorm is def top 10. He's solid all around. Great at mid-range, becomes a strong zoner vs characters that have trouble getting in against traditional zoners, has some of the highest corner damage and pressure in the game, and a solid staggerable mid-screen and corner mixup game that can't be ignored. He needs meter to do any damage midscreen without trait but most of your midscreen combos will carry to the corner or restand in the corner depending on where you start, so the meter is very worth it. As a top 150 leaderboard Firestorm in ranked, I've played almost every matchup whether in ranked or sets with different specialists. As far as how he does against top 5 characters, i believe he goes even with supes, even with deadshot, loses to batman, even with black adam, and beats aquaman 6-4. Firestorm can punish tent strike from any range and trait doesn't help aqua in the mu at all. Some more losing mus I see are Green Lantern and Darkseid.

i wasn't able to punish tent strike from full screen what were you using?

 

[younggwisdomm]

Fullscreen as in can't back up anymore, use mb blast then u can follow up with db1, trait, or close in to trap range. Anywhere else punish with trap. If holding back just input d2 to make it easier

 

[younggwisdomm]

Zone him out and punish his counterzoning. Once he's in the corner just keep restanding into crossups (use j3 into 22 and you can choose which side easily) which beat all of his shitty wakeups if the aqua player decides to wakeup.

 

[kevkopdx]

the 50/50 comes after you block the b1. b12 is mid overhead and b1 flame carpet is mid low

thats not a 50/50

 

[ArmedCalf]

he has both of those things though

I use b12/b1xxlava mix. It's risky but it's strong. I can see bf3 working but whipping off bf motions on reaction to a jump isn't my fav thing on earth

 

[ArmedCalf]

thats not a 50/50

It actually is, it's not a low starter or an OH starter, but they still have to guess between low/OH on the second hit.

 

[kevkopdx]

It actually is, it's not a low starter or an OH starter, but they still have to guess between low/OH on the second hit.

is that a loose definition? doesnt that mean any string with a low or overhead is a 5050? i guess i stand corrected
edit: i see what u mean now! ok, but its kind of a bad 5050 right? like just block low, otherwise eat a combo?

 

[ArmedCalf]

is that a loose definition? doesnt that mean any string with a low or overhead is a 5050? i guess i stand corrected

Nah it's any situation where your opponent is gonna have to guess between OH/Low really. In this case after doing b1, they have to guess between a hard knockdown OH, or the low lava special!