Firestorm MU Discussion

[PharaohLite]

Whats up guys. Pharaoh here. Lets discuss matchups for our beloved firestorm here. ill update the thread once we come to a general consensus on some of his mu's. I actually feel he has a good amount of winning and losing mu's, but lets discuss!

 

[-LD50-]

Not too specific but in general:

I feel he is really favored against unsafe, far-reaching neutral characters. Particularly scarecrow and robin, but aquaman to some extent as well. It is just so easy to bait whiffs and be able to full combo punish because of trap and not needing to get in with a string to full combo punish.

I absolutely hate the Batman MU and it feels awful to me. Just not much in fs's arsenal to stop j2 spam

 

[KoKorean]

Ye his lack of a gud AA makes that mu hard

 

[BlvckGxd]

Not too specific but in general:

I feel he is really favored against unsafe, far-reaching neutral characters. Particularly scarecrow and robin, but aquaman to some extent as well. It is just so easy to bait whiffs and be able to full combo punish because of trap and not needing to get in with a string to full combo punish.

I absolutely hate the Batman MU and it feels awful to me. Just not much in fs's arsenal to stop j2 spam

Nah the batman matchup is lovely for me. Batman has no way to get in honestly, I just keep him away with fireballs until he gets in. and when he does get in finish your combo strings with bf3 to get him fullscreen again.

 

[ArmedCalf]

Take this with a day 5 grain of salt:

- He does fine against Superman
- He does fine against Bladam
- He does fine against Harley
- He does fine against Swamp Thing
- He bodies Aquaman and Scarecrow
- He has a hard-ish time against Fate/Deadshot

- He apparently loses to Batman
- He seems to do fine against Robin
- He seems to do fine against Brainiac
- iunno what the hell Supergirl even is for him lol gotta lab it

- I think he does okay against Cold


I need to lab a lot of these a bit more, like I said it's only day 5, but I would say he 100% beats Aquaman and Scarecrow

 

[Eric gibson]

After playing firestorm for a while I can say he's hot garbage. He has NO reliable AA and no overhead or low starters. His damage is medium. He has good corner carry and a decent crouch 1. He has no safe wakeup options. Too bad when you get your opponent to the corner you have no high/low mixups. He has almost no redeeming qualities.

 

[ArmedCalf]

After playing firestorm for a while I can say he's hot garbage. He has NO reliable AA and no overhead or low starters. His damage is medium. He has good corner carry and a decent crouch 1. He has no safe wakeup options. Too bad when you get your opponent to the corner you have no high/low mixups. He has almost no redeeming qualities.

After playing firestorm for a while I can say he's hot garbage. He has NO reliable AA and no overhead or low starters. His damage is medium. He has good corner carry and a decent crouch 1. He has no safe wakeup options. Too bad when you get your opponent to the corner you have no high/low mixups. He has almost no redeeming qualities.

Lack of AA is probably the only true weakness. He doesn't need a 50/50, he doesn't need a safe wake-up option. Why are you trying to mix your opponent in the corner, back off and make them make a mistake trying to get out.

This is a character that has safe frames up close and a pretty legit zoning game from 3/4 of the screen. He's pretty decent at whiff punishing moves. Stop play MKX with him and start playing Injustass

 

[Eric gibson]

Lack of AA is probably the only true weakness. He doesn't need a 50/50, he doesn't need a safe wake-up option. Why are you trying to mix your opponent in the corner, back off and make them make a mistake trying to get out.

This is a character that has safe frames up close and a pretty legit zoning game from 3/4 of the screen. He's pretty decent at whiff punishing moves. Stop play MKX with him and start playing Injustass

his zoning isn't that good either because his projectile is a high. He's not good.

 

[-LD50-]

his zoning isn't that good either because his projectile is a high. He's not good.

He doesn't need a mid hitting projectile when he has trap and you have to respect delayed mb

No one here from what I see is claiming FS as top5 but you need to lab, play, and watch some gameplay to check what you're talking about

 

[Eric gibson]

He doesn't need a mid hitting projectile when he has trap and you have to respect delayed mb

No one here from what I see is claiming FS as top5 but you need to lab, play, and watch some gameplay to check what you're talking about

Yea I am checking what I'm talking about. All of it. You're going off of theory.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

After playing firestorm for a while I can say he's hot garbage. He has NO reliable AA and no overhead or low starters. His damage is medium. He has good corner carry and a decent crouch 1. He has no safe wakeup options. Too bad when you get your opponent to the corner you have no high/low mixups. He has almost no redeeming qualities.

Wtf character are you playing???

He has a plus on block overhead that leads to 610 damage..with a low starter that's staggerable. Put trait on and you literally have safe overhead or low starters. His lack of AA is the only true argument here

 

[Eric gibson]

Wtf character are you playing???

He has a plus on block overhead that leads to 610 damage..with a low starter that's staggerable. Put trait on and you literally have safe overhead or low starters. His lack of AA is the only true argument here

Firestorm. I'm litteraly scratching my head right now. He has low and overhead starters? When???!?? Where?!!!?

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Firestorm. I'm litteraly scratching my head right now. He has low and overhead starters? When???!?? Where?!!!?

Bd2 lol it's a starter.. f3..it's a starter and +4

 

[RemainSolid]

Opinion on the Darkseid matchup?

 

[PharaohLite]

The deashot mu, like pretty much every other character, is difficult. However, firestorm probably has more tools than most to deal with him, but deadshot can easily interrupt far traps and win the zoning war. 6-4? 5-5? sidenote: I REALLY wish firestorm was a power character and not a gadget.

 

[Dr_3k]

Learned that you can punish most projectiles as long as you are in range for multin trap the aquaman matchup seems easy now with from the deep being -20 something

 

[kevkopdx]

Bd2 lol it's a starter.. f3..it's a starter and +4

f3??? everyone has that and isnt that like 30 start up frames?? bd2 is only a starter if you meterburn, im confused... he has no normal overhead or low starters, im pretty sure thats what he meant

 

[xQUANTUMx]

The neutral game lends itself more to whiff punishing and letting the opponent hang themselves now. It's not jump in auto win button. His AA in the traditional sense are poor but I've been able to anti air with s1, fireball and burst. Just not with 100% consistency unfortunately (like aquaman d2)

I'm currently grinding the fate match with a training partner and while it is challenging, the more I learn about fate the "easier" it gets. This is a char that you need to corner and can abuse on knockdown, So FS has to switch gears here and go after him. I use ex fb as a punisher or KD tool to get free dashes in. Very meter heavy match for both chars

 

[-LD50-]

The neutral game lends itself more to whiff punishing and letting the opponent hang themselves now. It's not jump in auto win button. His AA in the traditional sense are poor but I've been able to anti air with s1, fireball and burst. Just not with 100% consistency unfortunately (like aquaman d2)

I'm currently grinding the fate match with a training partner and while it is challenging, the more I learn about fate the "easier" it gets. This is a char that you need to corner and can abuse on knockdown, So FS has to switch gears here and go after him. I use ex fb as a punisher or KD tool to get free dashes in. Very meter heavy match for both chars

hes gotta swithc gears and go after a lot of the cast. I dont mind the fate MU though because once you get him in the corner he cant really get out.

deadshot MU isn't bad either - just find the time window to mb trap as he starts up another shot then fcp

anti airing with s1, fireball,burst, or s3 is a thing but its still awful AA nonetheless. Its pitiful that backdashing and fireball feel like my best aa options and in crossup range he really has no answer other than to read the jump in and jump back j1 or j3

 

[Scoot Magee]

Firestorm. I'm litteraly scratching my head right now. He has low and overhead starters? When???!?? Where?!!!?

I don't know the exact string input but I was playing Jonnitti last night hand he was using a string that hit mid first and the 2nd hit was an overhead. He would replace the 2nd hit with his low fireball thing and randomly meter burn it to keep me in check. It was pretty shitty to deal with and was hard to block.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

f3??? everyone has that and isnt that like 30 start up frames?? bd2 is only a starter if you meterburn, im confused... he has no normal overhead or low starters, im pretty sure thats what he meant

His f3 is pretty quick, and deals massive damage. Bd2 yes is only a starter when mb but can hit from 3/4 screen.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

hes gotta swithc gears and go after a lot of the cast. I dont mind the fate MU though because once you get him in the corner he cant really get out.

deadshot MU isn't bad either - just find the time window to mb trap as he starts up another shot then fcp

anti airing with s1, fireball,burst, or s3 is a thing but its still awful AA nonetheless. Its pitiful that backdashing and fireball feel like my best aa options and in crossup range he really has no answer other than to read the jump in and jump back j1 or j3

I never thought to use s3 against jumpers. I'll try it. His jump normals piss me off. I lose air to airs often vs say using supes' j1 or bm.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

Re: batman it's not terrible. I try to find ways to get him to waste his trait as much as I can. J2 is j2 gotta deal with it

 

[GAMETIME]

Take this with a day 5 grain of salt:

- He does fine against Superman
- He does fine against Bladam
- He does fine against Harley
- He does fine against Swamp Thing
- He bodies Aquaman and Scarecrow
- He has a hard-ish time against Fate/Deadshot

- He apparently loses to Batman
- He seems to do fine against Robin
- He seems to do fine against Brainiac
- iunno what the hell Supergirl even is for him lol gotta lab it

- I think he does okay against Cold


I need to lab a lot of these a bit more, like I said it's only day 5, but I would say he 100% beats Aquaman and Scarecrow

Take this with a day 5 grain of salt:

- He does fine against Superman
- He does fine against Bladam
- He does fine against Harley
- He does fine against Swamp Thing
- He bodies Aquaman and Scarecrow
- He has a hard-ish time against Fate/Deadshot

- He apparently loses to Batman
- He seems to do fine against Robin
- He seems to do fine against Brainiac
- iunno what the hell Supergirl even is for him lol gotta lab it

- I think he does okay against Cold


I need to lab a lot of these a bit more, like I said it's only day 5, but I would say he 100% beats Aquaman and Scarecrow

How do you play out the Harley mu? Haven't really played it yet

 

[Jaiyson]

There is no respecting that MB Flame carpet at all. You can literally jump or mb b3 after blocking the regular version and if your character is close enough to you, you can get full combo punished every time.