But doing something different for the sake of doing something different isn't really the answer, especially when there isn't any benefit that could come out of it. If the best thing someone can say about F4 clone is that "it's not going to kill you" then you shouldn't really use it. The real question is, how does F4 clone help, and is it better than other alternatives? Can it be useful in some match-ups? I think the answer is no.
Maybe so and it's good to know those reasons, but if you are SOOO worried about not doing this or that b/c you MAY be blown up... you might as well not even play. There's 45346 scenarios of what can blow you up where.
IDK, maybe he likes to do naked F4 b/c no one ever attacks right after b/c they're waiting for ice blast or slide to blow them up? Then they notice he does naked F4... and he throws F4 clone. BLOWN UP. (I don't do this, just a random example I thought of)
then specify.
Normally I agree with that statement. Im just wondering what your gaining from any of this. Youve already got your advantage after landing B1,2,1. Why do you need to throw out a D4 that MIGHT hit just on a gamble to get back the same situation your already in? The gamble just doesnt make sense to me when youve ALREADY got that advantage from B1,2,1.
You know how everyone knows not to block low vs Smoke... (I'm not sure if this example will apply to anyone but me... but anywho) yet when they start throwing 356 low pokes, my brain says... hey dummy block low, don't let them have that advantage... then I'm blown up by B2 or 3D12.
F+4 is -13 on block. It's a huge risk to throw a naked F+4 without cancelling it. If you're going to take that risk, even if you're trying to set up a subsequent F4 ice clone, might as well do F4 ice blast.
I like B1 as well.
How are you giving anything away? If they refuse to block low, why the hell not D4? 212 is still guaranteed for the most part and then you just added 3% damage to it. That shit adds up, and the strategy could be nothing more then that. Stacking damage. You're not at all saying "HEY I HAVE F4".
The difference is Smoke gets a huge payoff for making you block low. Plus B2,3>smoke bomb is hit confirmable and even on block its pretty safe. And on hit it can lead to 80% combos. Sub on the hand has a slow ass overhead thats totally unsafe and isnt hit confirmable so even after all this "conditioning" your opponent still might block it.
please read dark robs post...
TL DR
Yeah, I know it makes sense to just take the blockstring, so I get what you're saying... I just don't see why it's a huge no no. lol
oh come on now. It wasnt like MKF30 long lol
that was the mixup of the might salvificblood, everyone was bitching when we were saying its viable.
Im not saying its a huge no no. If you hit it, great. Im just talking strategy and telling you all the stuff Tom brady has crammed into my head and why it all makes sense to me.
Oh right, it is very viable. It actually gives him a decent "pressure" option. Besides I start to go for more B1's now after D4 hits because I get a free mix-up every time.
Sadly, we can't all be Tom Brady when it comes to playing Sub Zero.
Im not taking it the wrong way. No worries. Debate is good.Sadly, we can't all be Tom Brady when it comes to playing Sub Zero.
Just b/c I think something is viable and don't agree with you Rob, doesn't mean I don't value your input on the Sub Zero strategy. So, don't take it the wrong way.
