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ItsYaBoi

Noob
Surprise surprise, Republicans are setting up fake ballot boxes in California.

Any examples of the left being LITERALLY criminal this election?

Utterly embarrassing. They’re fucking terrified to resort to this, and with good reason - everything I’ve read and seen implies that Trump is going to get DESTROYED. It will be Reagan-esque.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Surprise surprise, Republicans are setting up fake ballot boxes in California.

Any examples of the left being LITERALLY criminal this election?

Utterly embarrassing. They’re fucking terrified to resort to this, and with good reason - everything I’ve read and seen implies that Trump is going to get DESTROYED. It will be Reagan-esque.
I can't fucking wait.

I'm literally sick to my stomach of listening to Trumpers pretending they didn't lose this election the moment he said to keep the sick people on those cruise ships so they didn't disrupt his poll numbers.
I don't hate you because most of you are too blinded by your own prejudice and fear to see clearly, but you people deserve to be humiliated beyond all pales in the spectrum.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
@M2Dave So this is how you know that talking point about men vs. women pay is silly. You can say what you want about averages and people supposedly being in different situations.. But here's a situation where women were doing the same job at the same school and being paid less.


Discrimination exists. It's a fact of life. Instead of trying to pretend it's not a thing, we should just focus on fixing it and moving forward.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
And not only are women paid less for the exact jobs, they're also chosen less for management, administrative, and leadership positions. For example, here's some info from Citibank:

Yet women also remain underrepresented in the bank’s top ranks, Citi’s analysis found. Though women account for just over half of Citigroup’s workforce, they make up just 37% of senior positions between the assistant vice president level and the managing director level.

Still, Citigroup’s wage gap and gender imbalance is far from unique within the traditionally male-dominated banking sector. Women account for just 19% of C-suite positions in financial services, slightly lower than the 22% average for U.S. women overall, according to a McKinsey study.
Again, these are talking about people at the same companies. We're not talking about people working as waitresses vs. people working in finance here -- this is all within a single ecosystem.

These disparities exist for gender, race, etc. It's our generation's job to start cleaning up the mess and get these things back on track.

The lower representation of women does not appear to be driven by attrition; in fact, company-level attrition among females is either equal to or lower than attrition among males for every financial services role, except for the most senior positions. And yet, as they advance through their careers, women steadily lose ground to their male peers at every stage. The biggest drop occurs early in their tenure, where women are 24 percent less likely to attain their first promotion than their male peers, even though they request promotions at similar rates . Women of color are particularly disadvantaged; they are 34 percent less likely to make their first promotion than men in financial services
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Orange man IS bad in my mind, and he's proven time and time again how incompetent he is. Americans have clearly taken notice; but once again, Biden needs to be taking the "Orange Man Bad" narrative and spinning it into fixing the issues Trump has caused, not just pointing at bad shit and saying "That's bad." Most everyone is WELL aware how fucked things are for so many millions in the US. Give us action plans. Give us positives to look forward to. Give us hope.
Talking about "action plans" requires talking about and taking firm positions on specific policies causing potential ire among the electorate so Biden refuses to engage in such discussions. He is primarily running as the anti-Trump candidate, which, according to the polls, seems to be working.

@M2Dave So this is how you know that talking point about men vs. women pay is silly. You can say what you want about averages and people supposedly being in different situations.. But here's a situation where women were doing the same job at the same school and being paid less.


Discrimination exists. It's a fact of life. Instead of trying to pretend it's not a thing, we should just focus on fixing it and moving forward.
Considering my profession, I work in a building with lots of women, most of whom earn more money than I do. Instead of whining about systematic discrimination against immigrants from former Yugoslavia, I acknowledge the following factors.

  • The woman has a higher position (i.e., department chair, principal, director of curriculum, etc.)
  • The woman has a higher education (i.e., master's and doctor's degree versus bachelor's degree).
  • The woman has additional years of teaching experience (e.g., 20 versus 10 years).
  • The woman runs co-curricular and/or extracurricular activities (i.e., clubs and sports) for which she is reimbursed accordingly.
  • The woman proved to be more assertive and outperformed me during contract negotiation.
Speaking of assertiveness, "men reported themselves as more assertive than women on items dealing with bosses and supervisors. Men also reported themselves as being more outspoken when stating opinions and as taking the initiative more readily in social contacts with members of the opposite sex. Women, on the other hand, reported themselves as more assertive in expressing love, affection, and compliments, as well as expressing anger to one's parents", according to the American Psychological Association. This research on men and women traits, for which millions of years of human evolution is undoubtedly responsible, explains your concern with the lack of women in management, administrative, and leadership positions. Men share characteristics that are related to directions, hunting, and violence (i.e., "putting food on the table") while women share characteristics that are related to childbearing. Nature, not sexism, made this decision a long time ago.

Just like everyone else, I care for my mom, grandma, aunt, female friends and students, etc. I would never want any of them to be treated unjustly, but I refuse to pursue policies under bogus premises and "social justice" trash.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Talking about "action plans" requires talking about and taking firm positions on specific policies causing potential ire among the electorate so Biden refuses to engage in such discussions. He is primarily running as the anti-Trump candidate, which, according to the polls, seems to be working.



Considering my profession, I work in a building with lots of women, most of whom earn more money than I do. Instead of whining about systematic discrimination against immigrants from former Yugoslavia, I acknowledge the following factors.

  • The woman has a higher position (i.e., department chair, principal, director of curriculum, etc.)
  • The woman has a higher education (i.e., master's and doctor's degree versus bachelor's degree).
  • The woman has additional years of teaching experience (e.g., 20 versus 10 years).
  • The woman runs co-curricular and/or extracurricular activities (i.e., clubs and sports) for which she is reimbursed accordingly.
  • The woman proved to be more assertive and outperformed me during contract negotiation.
You cannot compare an example of one person vs. others to a lopsided average across an entire corporation with a roughly 50/50 workforce.

And in the case of the University settlement you're talking about people holding the same positions. So unless you're asserting that all of the females deserve lower pay for the exact same title, this doesn't make sense.

This one is basic math/stats.. And you're a teacher. Come on, fool :p
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Colin Kaepernick calls for abolishing police and prisons in new essay series.

LOL!

OK.

How many of you far-leftists in this thread, and I know there are many of you here, actually agree with these ideas?
-_-
Even when you make a point, you have to throw the goddamn name-calling on top of it and make sure you bunch everyone into their respective piles before they even have a chance to respond. But noooo, you aren't drawing your plays right out of the Karl Rove playbook...

The idea that America itself would ever allow for the abolition of police or prisons, and the loss of all the money they make off those institutions, is about as impractical and ridiculous as the idea of a Socialist America.
 

S+ Main

Noob
Anyone that actually believes Prisons do any good & don’t exacerbate issues & only exist to fulfill Capitalist Greed has been willfully ignoring how abusive the American Prison System is & how we do nothing to actually help people that are incarcerated be able to productively contribute to society after
Whilst on the subject to the American Prison system (prison in general kinda) what do you think would be the best way to handle people who commit crimes that would usually be dealt with via prison sentencing?

I though the point of this system was to rehabilitate an Individual so they can be a functioning member of society. Further on that point then would the 'punishment' for the crimes committed would be based on the reasoning opposed to the act. I know this is kind of out there it terms of the theory behind the punishment but for example if someone stole because they have to, wouldn't the best way to deal with that be to help out the individual so they don't have to steal. Or perhaps people who get caught up in gang violence and drugs because that type of behaviour runs rampart where they live and they are almost born into it, so they best way to deal with that would be to help the community. I can understand prison and punishment for violent crimes or crimes that come from bad intent, but I feel that trying to help that person become a better person when introduced to society is a much better solution to life long incarceration or just a few years behind bar where they will most likely become repeat offenders.

I fell the best way to deal with crime is to find the root of it and put the governments (or who ever sorts this stuff) efforts into fixing this, such as improving bad areas. I'm no expert on this so I don't have the best idea on how to improve.

However if this type of intervention took place then the Gov would have more of a local presence and more power though out towns and neighbourhoods, and potentially even business so they can be regulated if absolutely necessary. One thing that has been proven is that the Gov cannot be trusted and are unreliable. I would not want to give the Gov more power when the current state of police, which I assume would be their primary enforcers, is in a very bad spot right now so there would have to be police reform and it would have to be heavily regulated. Even then people would still be wary of police, with good reason.

I kind of went on a ramble here, I just wanted to hear what you thought as I am genuinely curious lol.
 

haketh

Noob
So much violent crime can be traced to a lack of adequate resources whether it be housing, food, money in general, or a lack of adequate mental health. Prisons & Psychiatric Abolition & Reform is so strongly needed in this country it’s abhorrent. The question of what to do with people like Rapist is a difficult question in Abolition though or even Defunding, for that I don’t have the answer personally but if you google the topic theirs a lot of discussion on it.
 

Marlow

Premium Supporter
Premium Supporter
I think Nick Cannon is an absolute idiot. But what is wrong with Nick’s tweet?
Richard Spencer is, to quote Wikipedia, "an American neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist and white supremacist who is known for his activism on behalf of the alt-right movement in 2016 and 2017.

Nick Cannon went from apologizing for anti-Semitic comments, to having an "intense and intriguing debate' with a neo-Nazi. The problem is, if you're trying to have a serious discussion, why are you giving someone like this a platform to spread their message of hate? Normally when you have a debate or bring a guest on to discuss a topic, there's a certain amount of implicit good faith that both sides have legitimate points to make.

All you're really accomplishing by having a guest like Spencer on is giving a platform and credibility to ideas that deserve neither.
 

Onryoki

We all die alone. So love yourself before you go.
So much violent crime can be traced to a lack of adequate resources whether it be housing, food, money in general, or a lack of adequate mental health. Prisons & Psychiatric Abolition & Reform is so strongly needed in this country it’s abhorrent. The question of what to do with people like Rapist is a difficult question in Abolition though or even Defunding, for that I don’t have the answer personally but if you google the topic theirs a lot of discussion on it.
If the case is easily proved, they need to be incarcerated. It’s not hard. People that rape are most likely to do it again
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Murderers, rapists, abusers, and other violent people 10000000000000000% deserve to rot in prison, I don't give a fuck, people who put their own desires over others to the point of harming them deserve nothing.

There is a conversation to be had over who deserves to go to prison for which crime they commit, or the conditions of people in prison, but prisons absolutely have a place.
 

Onryoki

We all die alone. So love yourself before you go.
Prison absolutely has to go, the carceral system in the US is insanely cruel and barbarous, especially in COVID times.
So pedophiles and child rapists don’t need to go to jail? So people that form danger for families shouldn’t go to jail? Stalkers shouldn’t go to jail? Yet I’m the idiot here. Please!!!!
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
So pedophiles and child rapists don’t need to go to jail? So people that form danger for families shouldn’t go to jail? Stalkers shouldn’t go to jail? Yet I’m the idiot here. Please!!!!
No yeah some people are just garbage, awful people who do awful things to other people don't deserve to be in a nice place. The fear of a horrifying prison keeps people who would harm others in check.

I'm gonna quote one of my favorite movies.
"Criminals thrive on society's understanding"- Ras Al Guhl, Batman Begins
Yeah, that quote was from the villain and I'm not saying to destroy "Gotham City", but that logic is sound imo. Violent criminals need to be removed from society, not only removed, but punished. However, prisons do need reform. Minor drug offenses causing major sentences is insane. I hope to God thats what you guys who are saying get rid of prisons really mean.
 

NeonGroovyGator

Vampire mommy simp
No yeah some people are just garbage, awful people who do awful things to other people don't deserve to be in a nice place. The fear of a horrifying prison keeps people who would harm others in check.

I'm gonna quote one of my favorite movies.
"Criminals thrive on society's understanding"- Ras Al Guhl, Batman Begins
Yeah, that quote was from the villain and I'm not saying to destroy "Gotham City", but that logic is sound imo. Violent criminals need to be removed from society, not only removed, but punished. However, prisons do need reform. Minor drug offenses causing major sentences is insane. I hope to God thats what you guys who are saying get rid of prisons really mean.
I think the notions of "abolish the police" or "get rid of prisons" are those things that very few people really literally mean and are overall a poor choice of wording that allows right wing nutjobs to generalize all leftists as criminal apologists. A very insignificant portion of people probably wants those things, but the overwhelming majority of people in these discussions just want a justice system reform, which is objectively needed in places like the US and my country imo.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I think the notions of "abolish the police" or "get rid of prisons" are those things that very few people really literally mean and are overall a poor choice of wording that allows right wing nutjobs to generalize all leftists as criminal apologists. A very insignificant portion of people probably wants those things, but the overwhelming majority of people in these discussions just want a justice system reform, which is objectively needed in places like the US and my country imo.
Yes I agree. People do themselves no favors with wording like that. Right wing nut jobs will generalize it, but it is still unsettling to centrists or people who are on the fence. Anyone who legitimately things there should be NO police or NO prisons are obviously morons, have never had their lives put in jeopardy by a violent criminal, or just has poor critical thinking skills in general. Abolish is a strong word and I don't think it's unreasonable that people regardless of which side of the fence they're on, have strong reactions to it.

A major reform of police and prisons however is something I'd get behind.
 

Onryoki

We all die alone. So love yourself before you go.
No yeah some people are just garbage, awful people who do awful things to other people don't deserve to be in a nice place. The fear of a horrifying prison keeps people who would harm others in check.

I'm gonna quote one of my favorite movies.
"Criminals thrive on society's understanding"- Ras Al Guhl, Batman Begins
Yeah, that quote was from the villain and I'm not saying to destroy "Gotham City", but that logic is sound imo. Violent criminals need to be removed from society, not only removed, but punished. However, prisons do need reform. Minor drug offenses causing major sentences is insane. I hope to God thats what you guys who are saying get rid of prisons really mean.
I’m just tired of people saying stupid shit. These stupid statements and mindsets that every police officer is an awful person and that every prison is filled with innocent people or that everybody should get a million of chances before people FINALLY realise that some people should just stay in jail. Yet I’m the idiot here. People should t say “abolish the police” and that prisons “absolutely have to go”. Prisons are here for a reason, there needs to be done more to prevent and keep people out of prison. However you can’t 100% prevent people from going to prison. Heinous crimes need get punished. It’s unfortunate some people are going to jail while being innocent, but even that can’t be 100% prevented. Sometimes the evidence points to a person and they don’t have an alibi. It’s hard to defend such a person and you can’t blindly believe them either. It’s hard but it can’t be prevented. It’s sad, but that’s the way it is.
 

NeonGroovyGator

Vampire mommy simp
Yes I agree. People do themselves no favors with wording like that. Right wing nut jobs will generalize it, but it is still unsettling to centrists or people who are on the fence. Anyone who legitimately things there should be NO police or NO prisons are obviously morons, have never had their lives put in jeopardy by a violent criminal, or just has poor critical thinking skills in general. Abolish is a strong word and I don't think it's unreasonable that people regardless of which side of the fence they're on, have strong reactions to it.

A major reform of police and prisons however is something I'd get behind.
I will gladly agree with you on that. I think one of the major problems that keep a lot of portions of the left from having proper conversations and connections with the average person is terrible wording for a multitude of things. I lean left on a lot of issues but I have these discussions time and time again with my friends: it doesn't mean jack shit that you have a lot of theoretical insight and classifications on many important issues if you can't convince people to think the way you do. That's not how you change things. At all.

And to be fair, there are quite a few theoretical society models where an organized police force as we know it doesn't exist. This notion simply has no place in realpolitik, though. At least in my mind.