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M2Dave

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It is, quite literally, a right-wing position. From Wikipedia article of the same name:

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See number 5. I'm not calling you a name, I'm taking you at your word. If that causes a reactionary flinch, that's not my problem.
The Wikipedia article makes no mention of anything that I discussed with my analogy. Self-sufficiency is not a right-wing characteristic or position. LOL. Any successful individual almost anywhere in the world is self-sufficient.

He does this, literally, all the time. A small collection:




A more thorough list here: (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-condemn-violence/fact-check-joe-biden-has-condemned-violent-protests-in-the-last-three-months-idUSKBN25V2O1)

I'm not a Joe Biden fan, but he knows how to be a milquetoast politician. Again, I recommend you change up your media sources that are obsessed with talking points and not facts.
The fact is that Biden has condemned violence in very general terms. He has yet to condemn the looting and rioting caused by some BLM members. He has refused to do so, and you and I know both know why.

I don’t really see how my opposing opinions about certain topics decide wether or not I hold bigoted views towards a certain race. I don’t see darker skinned people as less, or any other race for that matter since someone’s skin colour or heritage says nothing about a person’s intelligence, skills and personality.

Calling me a racist is a deep cutting insult, and I do not like or appreciate it. I don’t have the time or energy to hate on one certain group of people. Also, I am not really evading questions, I like to think about things before I post them, and sometimes I don’t know how to respond or what to say.

still, I don’t really have to prove myself to you as of why I’m not a racist. I know I’m not, so I don’t really have to prove myself or explain myself. Those are my opinions and if you don’t like them, that’s on you.
Considering the source, I would ignore the attacks.

Besides, almost all of us who are centrists or lean right have at some point or another been accused of racism, sexism, and xenophobia in this thread. So welcome to the club.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I AM A BOOK FOREVER
Premium Supporter
And not a single mask among them.

You're a moron. Your base is made of morons. Normally I wouldn't waste my time or letters on drivel like this, but Mitch McConnell cracking his knuckles to steal another Supreme Court seat has me in a mood. I can't wait for this fucking election to be over no matter who wins, because it means either you'll all shut the fuck up forever, or you'll have another four years of L's to hold while you watch everything get worse. Just like we had to do with Bush 43, who by the end of his terms was so toxic that he wasn't even invited to campaign for Republican candidates running in 2008, while he was still in office and the economy was collapsing around him. I'll be right here celebrating with you and the other three Trumpers on here if he wins, because then you're going to get to see what happens when there's no big fight left for him or the GOP to campaign around, and he has nothing to do except his job. I'm going to have front row seats to that shit show.

This thread makes me glad I got the hell off of Facebook forever, because I don't think I could mentally handle an entire timeline of moronic and opportunistic Trumpism.

Agent Smith was right. Humans are a virus, and the person currently occupying the White House is the pinnacle of living disease.

Anyway, nice pictures.

:coffee: .
 

Onryoki

Parttime homosexual, fulltime Ermac main
The Wikipedia article makes no mention of anything that I discussed with my analogy. Self-sufficiency is not a right-wing characteristic or position. LOL. Any successful individual almost anywhere in the world is self-sufficient.



The fact is that Biden has condemned violence in very general terms. He has yet to condemn the looting and rioting caused by some BLM members. He has refused to do so, and you and I know both know why.



Considering the source, I would ignore the attacks.

Besides, almost all of us who are centrists or lean right have at some point or another been accused of racism, sexism, and xenophobia in this thread. So welcome to the club.
The funny thing is I’m actually left wing for the most part. I just don’t necessarily agree with everything on the left. I don’t like the “woke” part of the left. They’re more like a cult than anything. Don’t believe in what they believe and you’re excluded from this elitist bullshit.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
This thread proves the soundtrack to this country is a bunch of people watching their people die while another explains to them why it's necessary. It could happen every day, every single day and the unaffected would continue to argue for the benefit of the doubt.

Even in this place where the single tie that binds us is a stupid video game about ninjas and uppercuts we have a line of actual black people being shouted down by people with their heads literally in the sand. "I'm not a trump supporter, I just think some of his positions are more valid than yours, than blm, than thousands of people fighting for justice around the globe. " Congratulations.

I wonder what sort of pride you feel, defending a monster like Ben Shapiro to an actual black person or transgendered person, to tout racist ass statistics about minorities to those minorities and say debunked when they all say it's blatantly untrue. How does it feel to watch people suffer and die and claim they had it coming, over and over and over, to defend some one you've never heard ofs right to carry a gun?

Yuck.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I AM A BOOK FOREVER
Premium Supporter
This thread proves the soundtrack to this country is a bunch of people watching their people die while another explains to them why it's necessary. It could happen every day, every single day and the unaffected would continue to argue for the benefit of the doubt.

Even in this place where the single tie that binds us is a stupid video game about ninjas and uppercuts we have a line of actual black people being shouted down by people with their heads literally in the sand. "I'm not a trump supporter, I just think some of his positions are more valid than yours, than blm, than thousands of people fighting for justice around the globe. " Congratulations.

I wonder what sort of pride you feel, defending a monster like Ben Shapiro to an actual black person or transgendered person, to tout racist ass statistics about minorities to those minorities and say debunked when they all say it's blatantly untrue. How does it feel to watch people suffer and die and claim they had it coming, over and over and over, to defend some one you've never heard ofs right to carry a gun?

Yuck.
Seconded.

Like I fucking said: America has done some bad, BAD stuff.
You either know how to fucking read, or you're willfully ignorant to the subject of the pretext.

Like
The teaching of 1619 is being fought against, and people are okay with it? Are actually in favor of fighting against it so it can be phased out, like the Trail Of Tears and all the information about Native Americans that'll probably never be taught in public school again?
In the grander scheme of things, how the fuck do you think a country like Germany might feel about something like this? The fall of the Berlin Wall was almost 31 years ago. World War II ended 75 years ago. They don't get to escape their past. Ever. Why do we? Why does America get to keep acting like it isn't fucked up, too? It makes no sense.
 

Onryoki

Parttime homosexual, fulltime Ermac main
This thread proves the soundtrack to this country is a bunch of people watching their people die while another explains to them why it's necessary. It could happen every day, every single day and the unaffected would continue to argue for the benefit of the doubt.

Even in this place where the single tie that binds us is a stupid video game about ninjas and uppercuts we have a line of actual black people being shouted down by people with their heads literally in the sand. "I'm not a trump supporter, I just think some of his positions are more valid than yours, than blm, than thousands of people fighting for justice around the globe. " Congratulations.

I wonder what sort of pride you feel, defending a monster like Ben Shapiro to an actual black person or transgendered person, to tout racist ass statistics about minorities to those minorities and say debunked when they all say it's blatantly untrue. How does it feel to watch people suffer and die and claim they had it coming, over and over and over, to defend some one you've never heard ofs right to carry a gun?

Yuck.
If this thread proves the soundtrack of USA (you’re not the only country that exists), maybe you should spend some more time outside. Most deaths are unnecessary, and the victims of police brutality didn’t deserve to die like that. But all I see people do is post about it on social media. Making the people that died just another trending hashtag.

I know Trump is a major idiot that’s unfit to rule a country, but you can’t blame him for everything. You can’t blame Trump for people being racist and people dying by police brutality. The racism didn’t suddenly sky rocket since trump got elected president. People were racist pre trump and are gonna be racist post trump. Same with police brutality, there will always be people getting killed by police brutality pre and post trump. So, him getting out of office really won’t change much. Racism won’t end, police brutality won’t end and BLM will just be a trending hashtag from time to time.

So I’m wondering what it is that people actually want. Because right now everything that happens right now seems completely pointless.


Seconded.

Like I fucking said: America has done some bad, BAD stuff.
You either know how to fucking read, or you're willfully ignorant to the subject of the pretext.

Like
The teaching of 1619 is being fought against, and people are okay with it? Are actually in favor of fighting against it so it can be phased out, like the Trail Of Tears and all the information about Native Americans that'll probably never be taught in public school again?
In the grander scheme of things, how the fuck do you think a country like Germany might feel about something like this? The fall of the Berlin Wall was almost 31 years ago. World War II ended 75 years ago. They don't get to escape their past. Ever. Why do we? Why does America get to keep acting like it isn't fucked up, too? It makes no sense.
No offense, but that’s because Americans are usually very stupid. Most Americans are VERY self centered when it comes to their own country. They’re also very patriotic and blind and choose to ignore facts and figures from the past. The education system is shit, everything that’s slightly progressive needs to be debated, it’s dumb.

Also, people in Germany do remember the wall getting tore down 31 years ago, but not many people in Germany keep themselves busy with it all the time. I’ve noticed people in USA keep themselves busy with these types of stuff 24/7 to the point where it’s an obsession.
 
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Lt. Boxy Angelman

I AM A BOOK FOREVER
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No offense, but that’s because Americans are usually very stupid. Most Americans are VERY self centered when it comes to their own country. They’re also very patriotic and blind and choose to ignore facts and figures from the past. The education system is shit, everything that’s slightly progressive needs to be debated, it’s dumb.

Also, people in Germany do remember the wall getting tore down 31 years ago, but not many people in Germany keep themselves busy with it all the time. I’ve noticed people in USA keep themselves busy with these types of stuff 24/7 to the point where it’s an obsession.
You will get no argument from me on either of those points. I agree. It's all fucked up.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
If this thread proves the soundtrack of USA (you’re not the only country that exists), maybe you should spend some more time outside. Most deaths are unnecessary, and the victims of police brutality didn’t deserve to die like that. But all I see people do is post about it on social media. Making the people that died just another trending hashtag.
Then you're fucking blind. By God dammed choice. And it makes me sick.

1) There have been over a hundred consecutive days of protests in cities around the globe, that have been met with open violence from police and the government, and people like you saying it's not real.

2) Athletes, celebrities, store owners, influencers, etc using their respective platforms to raise awareness only to be told time and time again that this is not the time for it and not to make it "political".

3) politicians, screaming for reform, attempting bill after bill after bill after bill to get passed into law to reign in the horrible monsters only to be stone walled by the Trump political army and people like you who say those people are wrong, monsters don't exist.

4) people like me and all the other "people posting on social media" having what little voice they have drowned out be people LIKE YOU who say all you're doing is hashtagging. You don't fucking know me. You don't know what protests I've been to from my kombat league record.

5) historically reconstructive books and articles being published by credible sources only to be #fakenews'd into oblivion by idiots like Ben Shapiro, Trump, and YOU who would rather watch a YouTube synopsis of it than digest the literary content.

Do I need to go on?

I know Trump is a major idiot that’s unfit to rule a country, but you can’t blame him for everything. You can’t blame Trump for people being racist and people dying by police brutality. The racism didn’t suddenly sky rocket since trump got elected president. People were racist pre trump and are gonna be racist post trump. Same with police brutality, there will always be people getting killed by police brutality pre and post trump. So, him getting out of office really won’t change much. Racism won’t end, police brutality won’t end and BLM will just be a trending hashtag from time to time.
This sad fucking paragraph is what people unaffected by systemic racism have been saying for going four hundred years while racists have been putting cigarettes out on our foreheads. Yeah, you know what Trump isn't the first racist in power, nor was bush, nor was Reagan, nor was Lincoln, nor was jackson, nor was king butt fucking James, but if just one of those assholes had been stopped instead of excused we could have progress. Instead now we have an entire generation of generation of generations of absolute fucking (soap bars in my mouth) united under the banner that America was great at some point that none of them dare specify because every single point of american success came on the backs of rampantly excused and later ignored black oppression.

So I’m wondering what it is that people actually want. Because right now everything that happens right now seems completely pointless.
We have made it inescapably clear what we want, and you would know that if you trusted us, and not our enemies. Let me spell it out for you, equality. The same set of rules applying to our race than others . It's not hard. We want to commit crimes and be punished the same way others are, or have them punished the way we are. We want to be free to buy stuff and be screwed by sellers in the same way as everyone else and not on some unique black only scale that assumes we're broke. We want our kids to get the whole story from history books and television and not just the version that makes white people look good.

Nobody ever stands up and says they're against thosev things so they call it something else. Communism, marxism, socialism. Wrap it up in a conspiracy, or assassinate the speakers character. But it's always powered by some racist statistic no one can explain" black people just do that more because...", provided by the exact people we say are the problem.

Can you tell me why we commit more violent crime? Can you tell me why we abandon our children? Why we seek drugs? Why we drop out of school? You ducked it earlier, so probably not. Probably society. probably "the government". But what you do know is that it's not your fault, not systemic racism, and it not simply because we are black. Great Job. Very brave.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
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But it's always powered by some racist statistic no one can explain" black people just do that more because...", provided by the exact people we say are the problem.
This is the really the crux of the thread. No matter what all these other surrounding arguments are, it all come down to this:

You either believe that the stark racial disparities are genetic (which is the foundation for racism, eugenics, etc).. Or that it's because of the conditions that you've placed people into.

We already have decades worth of science debunking the first (racist) myth that people are simply presdisposed to be inferior or achieve less based on their ethnicity. And we have another load of evidence also showing that working hard is not how you make tons of money in America (or African-Americans would be rich, because they were brought over here to work harder than anyone else for nearly 250 years, and then used as a labor class after that for decades -- as they were not allowed to hold the "good" jobs, or have leadership/management positions, etc).

No one has worked harder historically in this country than the descendants of Africans, because that's all they were allowed to do, and they weren't given access to the luxuries that everyone else enjoyed at their expense. Period. Yet they were systematically deprived of being able to receive compensation for their hard work, for generations. That is the history, it is not in dispute.

The damage of hundreds of years of abuse does not disappear automagically, in the same sense that you can't tell someone who was severely abused as a child to "just get over it". Generational abuse has generational consequences.

No amount of hand-wringing, ad-hominem etc. can erase this fact. And this truth goes beyond all political boundaries, and was around long before TV, radio, social media, streaming video etc. So it's time for us to deal with it, plan and simple.
 

Onryoki

Parttime homosexual, fulltime Ermac main
Then you're fucking blind. By God dammed choice. And it makes me sick.

1) There have been over a hundred consecutive days of protests in cities around the globe, that have been met with open violence from police and the government, and people like you saying it's not real.

2) Athletes, celebrities, store owners, influencers, etc using their respective platforms to raise awareness only to be told time and time again that this is not the time for it and not to make it "political".

3) politicians, screaming for reform, attempting bill after bill after bill after bill to get passed into law to reign in the horrible monsters only to be stone walled by the Trump political army and people like you who say those people are wrong, monsters don't exist.

4) people like me and all the other "people posting on social media" having what little voice they have drowned out be people LIKE YOU who say all you're doing is hashtagging. You don't fucking know me. You don't know what protests I've been to from my kombat league record.

5) historically reconstructive books and articles being published by credible sources only to be #fakenews'd into oblivion by idiots like Ben Shapiro, Trump, and YOU who would rather watch a YouTube synopsis of it than digest the literary content.

Do I need to go on?



This sad fucking paragraph is what people unaffected by systemic racism have been saying for going four hundred years while racists have been putting cigarettes out on our foreheads. Yeah, you know what Trump isn't the first racist in power, nor was bush, nor was Reagan, nor was Lincoln, nor was jackson, nor was king butt fucking James, but if just one of those assholes had been stopped instead of excused we could have progress. Instead now we have an entire generation of generation of generations of absolute fucking (soap bars in my mouth) united under the banner that America was great at some point that none of them dare specify because every single point of american success came on the backs of rampantly excused and later ignored black oppression.



We have made it inescapably clear what we want, and you would know that if you trusted us, and not our enemies. Let me spell it out for you, equality. The same set of rules applying to our race than others . It's not hard. We want to commit crimes and be punished the same way others are, or have them punished the way we are. We want to be free to buy stuff and be screwed by sellers in the same way as everyone else and not on some unique black only scale that assumes we're broke. We want our kids to get the whole story from history books and television and not just the version that makes white people look good.

Nobody ever stands up and says they're against thosev things so they call it something else. Communism, marxism, socialism. Wrap it up in a conspiracy, or assassinate the speakers character. But it's always powered by some racist statistic no one can explain" black people just do that more because...", provided by the exact people we say are the problem.

Can you tell me why we commit more violent crime? Can you tell me why we abandon our children? Why we seek drugs? Why we drop out of school? You ducked it earlier, so probably not. Probably society. probably "the government". But what you do know is that it's not your fault, not systemic racism, and it not simply because we are black. Great Job. Very brave.
I’m sorry but after reading your at uff, I am tired of this topic, we agree to disagree. I don’t agree with some stuff and neither do you, I’m tired of going back and forth with milk close to it’s expiration date. Can we move to another topic?
 

jokey77

Character Loyalist
This is the really the crux of the thread. No matter what all these other surrounding arguments are, it all come down to this.

You either believe that the stark racial disparities are genetic (which is the foundation for racism, eugenics, etc).. Or that it's because of the conditions that you've placed people into.

We already have decades worth of science debunking the first (racist) myth that people are simply presdisposed to be inferior or achieve less based on their ethnicity. And we have another load of evidence also showing that working hard is not how you make tons of money in America (or African-Americans would be rich, because they were brought over here to work harder than anyone else for nearly 250 years, and then used as a labor class after that for decades -- as they were not allowed to hold the "good" jobs, or have leadership/management positions, etc).

No one has worked harder historically in this country than the descendants of Africans, because that's all they were allowed to do, and they weren't given access to the luxuries that everyone else enjoyed at their expense. Period. Yet they were systematically deprived of being able to receive compensation for their hard work, for generations. That is the history, it is not in dispute.

The damage of hundreds of years of abuse does not disappear automagically, in the same sense that you can't tell someone who was severely abused as a child to "just get over it". Generational abuse has generational consequences.

No amount of hand-wringing, ad-hominem etc. can erase this fact. And this truth goes beyond all political boundaries, and was around long before TV, radio, social media, streaming video etc. So it's time for us to deal with it, plan and simple.
I think that when talking about the failures of societies, one has to keep two questions apart. - One makes sense, the other is absurd:
  1. What can we learn from the past? How can we do better in the future? How can we avoid repeating mistakes?
  2. How can we make up for historical mistakes made by previous (!) generations in the present?
Slavery is a good example. Nazi Germany is another one. - Here and now it is our duty to learn from history and to see that such horrible things never happen again! In this respect it is important to deal with history!

However it becomes problematic when people demand, out of emotion, that the injustice of past (!) generations must be compensated in the present. The absurdity can be shown quickly. Take slavery as an example:
  • How many years should one go back?
  • Should only slavery be compensated or should other forms of oppression be compensated as well?
  • Should all whites pay the same amount of compensation, or should southern states possibly pay more?
  • Should the descendants of simple workers, who have been as badly off as slaves, also pay?
  • Should black immigrants whose ancestors did not live in America also receive compensation?
... one could construde a hundred more such questions which can't be answered.

I think one thing has to be said quite clearly: Any redistribution of wealth in which blacks alone are to be 'rewarded' for their skin color is absurd.

Of course, one can certainly disuss a redistribution of wealth. For example it is reasonable to ask whether the gap between the richest and the poorest really has to be so wide. The question could be asked whether this should be counteracted by higher tax rates (or whether this would lead to more poverty). However: In this case a poor white man and a poor black man would be in the same boat.

However, once the 'redistribution of wealth beacause of skin color' is ruled out as an option, even I think that the BLM adresses some important topics.

The examples of @trufenix are good ones (in my opinion): It definitly is racism, if a black person is punished harder than a white person. It definitly is racism, if a black and a white person have the same income, but the latter is more likely to get a loan or a rental apartment. - As a European I can't say how much of a problem these examples really are in the U.S. But in this regard I am on your side: Such things shouldn't happen in the 21st century!
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Royal Contributor
If this thread proves the soundtrack of USA (you’re not the only country that exists), maybe you should spend some more time outside.
People should spend more time doing research and less time being social justice warriors.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics collected data on contacts between police and the public in 2008. The following are some of the highlights.

  • An estimated 9 out of 10 residents who had contact with police in 2008 felt the police acted properly.
  • The most common reason for contact with police in 2008 was being a driver in a traffic stop (44.1%).
  • White (8.4%), black (8.8%), and Hispanic (9.1%) drivers were stopped by police at similar rates in 2008.
  • Male drivers (9.9%) were stopped at higher rates than female drivers (7.0%).
  • In 2008 about 5% of traffic stops led to a search. Police were more likely to search male drivers than female driver.
  • Among persons who had contact with police in 2008, an estimated 1.4% had force used or threatened against them during their most recent contact, which was not statistically different from the percentages in 2002 (1.5%) and 2005 (1.6%).
The only piece of evidence resembling police brutality that the research discovered is "Black drivers were about three times as likely as white drivers and about two times as likely as Hispanic drivers to be searched during a traffic stop", which is quiet different from the notion that police are "actively hunting down" black men in America. This type of prevalent rhetoric is as dangerous for Black men as it is for police officers.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
I think that when talking about the failures of societies, one has to keep two questions apart. - One makes sense, the other is absurd:
  1. What can we learn from the past? How can we do better in the future? How can we avoid repeating mistakes?
  2. How can we make up for historical mistakes made by previous (!) generations in the present?
Slavery is a good example. Nazi Germany is another one. - Here and now it is our duty to learn from history and to see that such horrible things never happen again! In this respect it is important to deal with history!

However it becomes problematic when people demand, out of emotion, that the injustice of past (!) generations must be compensated in the present. The absurdity can be shown quickly. Take slavery as an example:
  • How many years should one go back?
  • Should only slavery be compensated or should other forms of oppression be compensated as well?
  • Should all whites pay the same amount of compensation, or should southern states possibly pay more?
  • Should the descendants of simple workers, who have been as badly off as slaves, also pay?
  • Should black immigrants whose ancestors did not live in America also receive compensation?
... one could construde a hundred more such questions which can't be answered.

I think one thing has to be said quite clearly: Any redistribution of wealth in which blacks alone are to be 'rewarded' for their skin color is absurd.

Of course, one can certainly disuss a redistribution of wealth. For example it is reasonable to ask whether the gap between the richest and the poorest really has to be so wide. The question could be asked whether this should be counteracted by higher tax rates (or whether this would lead to more poverty). However: In this case a poor white man and a poor black man would be in the same boat.

However, once the 'redistribution of wealth beacause of skin color' is ruled out as an option, even I think that the BLM adresses some important topics.

The examples of @trufenix are good ones (in my opinion): It definitly is racism, if a black person is punished harder than a white person. It definitly is racism, if a black and a white person have the same income, but the latter is more likely to get a loan or a rental apartment. - As a European I can't say how much of a problem these examples really are in the U.S. But in this regard I am on your side: Such things shouldn't happen in the 21st century!
It's not about compensation -- it's about trying to restore the balance when you've spent hundreds of years destroying it. And it's not about 'going back'; it's about moving forward.

I don't look at this as a competition of who gets what: I look at it as motivation to help fix that situation people have been put in. Wealth is one part of the equation, but neighborhoods, schools, access to other resources are the things that allow you the comfort, freedom and knowledge to use wealth in a sensible way.

The point isn't to 'reward' anyone for their skin color -- but because the damage that was done was along the lines of skin color, those are the lines along which the results of these specific injustices need to be addressed.

You can say the same for Native Americans -- killing them because they're Native American and taking them off of their land, but then saying "oh but we don't want to talk about race/ethnicity!" afterward makes no sense. If on ethnic majority damaged their people, specifically, then that majority should help fix the situation that you've put them in. I don't mind helping, as I live on this land as well.

So I'm not interested in establishing this game of payoffs and guilt and digging back into the past to hunt for specific people. But I am interested in directing more resources toward fixing the social, educational, and financial hole that two specific groups of people were put into in this country, intentionally, by design and by race. Hopefully that makes sense.
 

ChaosTheory

A fat woman came into the shoe store today...
to tout racist ass statistics about minorities to those minorities and say debunked when they all say it's blatantly untrue.
Drivel like this isn't helping your cause. The numbers are racist because a bunch of people say "nuh uh"?

Skipping to the "why" part of the equation while being unwilling to acknowledge the "what" part doesn't work. But you know that.

Yeah, you know what Trump isn't the first racist in power...

nor was Lincoln...

but if just one of those assholes had been stopped instead of excused we could have progress.
So we've already had the "USA was behind the Nazis in WWII" in this thread.

Next is that Lincoln is among the evils our world has known that should've been stopped... So America could've made some racial progress.

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These clear up your eagerness to encourage others to use the Ignore function on the site and avoid discourse. In line with the "agree with me or die" types.
 

KingHippo

Alternative-Fact Checker
The presidency of the US, like many positions in the world, is an inherently corrupted position. The job is to uphold a structure that needs inequality to work, so there's not a whole lot you can do as President where you don't tag some human rights violations here or there. It's a brutal job that requires brutal work, but sometimes credit is owed where credit is due, like Lincoln.

That said, there was no reason Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, and others had to supply Nazis with finance and steel and legal counsel other than greed and/or ideological ties. The USA was sympathetic to Nazis until self-interest got in the way, and I think trying to erase that history in favor of a more heroic, self-serving one ignores that many in the US who had ties to Nazis and should have been prosecuted were not and subsequently accumulated political positions granting them massive power. If one were interested in figuring out how politicians like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham could be such hypocrites, there is huge precedent in history.