F Champ Receives Lifetime Ban, Racism in the FGC/USA, and Other Prevalent Social Discussions

[Sage Leviathan]

I understand that you dislike big money affecting news and grassroots movements so you must also dislike Media Matters and Black Lives Matter to whom George Soros has allegedly donated millions of dollars, right?

This is the article you are citing:

American Wire News · America's Political News Service

American Wire is a daily independent news service dedicated to bringing our readers accurate, reliable news and information from a conservative perspective.

www.commdiginews.com

I provided a link for proof against this conspiracy on page 6 of this thread. It is antisemitic, racist, and disgusting. Learn to read.

 

[Marlow]

Arguing over this liberal vs. conservative media nonsense will get us nowhere. It's a clickbait dichotomy.

You can't have a true discussion when everything you say, and your analysis of everything everyone else says, is fed to you by a Youtube video before it starts.

It's better to try reading history instead -- analyzing based on history-driven personal analysis, rather than repeating somebody else's prefabricated talking points.

I just wish people would use better news sources. NPR, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, BBC World News, or at least some kind of reputable paper. Problem is people have been hearing for years about how "biased the MSM is" so now the only news they trust is from garbage sources like Ben Shapiro or Fox News.

 

[Onryoki]

This response indicates to me that you didn't actually read anything written by the people you disagree with in this thread.

Well to be completely honest. I didn’t feel like reading entire paragraphs so I might have read a few sentences.

 

[Rude]

The source is in the post.



Yes, something that has been illegal since the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

Do you think that making it illegal completely ends the practice?

Follow up question: Do you think that the ramifications of red lining can be felt beyond the first generation of a household?

 

[Rude]

Well to be completely honest. I didn’t feel like reading entire paragraphs so I might have read a few sentences.

Do you think that doing what you described is something that a person acting in good faith would do?

 

[M2Dave]

Do you think that making it illegal completely ends the practice?

Yes, in the overwhelming majority of cases.

Follow up question: Do you think that the ramifications of red lining can be felt beyond the first generation of a household?

Absolutely. As I keep stating, history has consequences.

Nobody is rejecting the fact that black people have been oppressed in America for hundreds of years, but to imply that limited progress has been achieved toward equal protection of the law and equality of opportunity is asinine. Likewise, just because black people were subjugated does not mean that white people are born with privilege. Most concerns mentioned in this thread, many of them legitimate, have been misidentified as racism when they are likely based on class discrimination. For example, the parents of a middle-class white family may object to the son or daughter marrying someone from the ghetto, yet almost none would object to the son or daughter marrying LeBron James or Beyonce. The same preference applies to parents of a middle-class black family accepting an interracial marriage of an affluent white person yet rejecting the marriage to a poor one. Racism may instinctively be attributed to both scenarios when none may be present. I feel like in the eyes of many people in this thread one is racist until proven innocent. I personally live my life giving people the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Likewise, just because black people were subjugated does not mean that white people are born with privilege.

If you don't understand that these two things are inextricably linked together, then you don't understand how racism and class-based oppression work in society.

You cannot separate the two. The freedom to move without these kinds of trappings in a society that oppresses other people is a privilege. Just like other kinds of privilege (being born with money, or into social connections, etc).

It's not a term that's meant to attack people -- it's just a description of something that we all have in various ways.

Being born into a first-world country already means that I'm privileged. The shoes I'm wearing are produced by someone who doesn't have the same rights or opportunities that I do. It's not something I'm scared of or guilty about; it's just something I need to remember and be aware of. I'm not sure why you're so afraid of this concept.

 

[Sage Leviathan]

I personally live my life giving people the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.

Right, unless they're a Marxist.

 

[Marlow]

I think you're confusing white privilege and systemic racism with overt racism. They're different.

Nobody is rejecting the fact that black people have been oppressed in America for hundreds of years, but to imply that limited progress has been achieved toward equal protection of the law and equality of opportunity is asinine.

Nobody is denying progress is being made, simply pointing out that based on what we're seeing today, there's still plenty of progress that needs to happen.

 

[M2Dave]

I'm not sure why you're so afraid of this concept.

And I am not sure why you are so afraid of judging people individually.

You already know my personal story. There are millions of other white people who may share similar stories. You know absolutely nothing about them.

Likewise, there are millions of black people who are born in superior circumstances than white people in America and around the world. On the other hand, I am sure that there are millions of black people who are born in inferior circumstances than white people in America and around the world. You know absolutely nothing about them either. If we were to keep track of privileges, the list would be endless.

Ironically, you are subscribing to a "white people are rich and privileged" and "black people are poor and oppressed" dichotomy, of which you claim to be a critic.

You can avoid this stereotype by simply judging people individually, which is what I have been taught to do and teach others to do.

 

[Marlow]

Ironically, you are subscribing to a "white people are rich and privileged" and "black people are poor and oppressed" dichotomy, of which you claim to be a critic.

I don't know how many times people need to explain to you that this is not what White Privilege means, and it's not how we're interpreting things. You keep assigning misleading motives and beliefs to people.

 

[M2Dave]

I don't know how many times people need to explain to you that this is not what White Privilege means, and it's not how we're interpreting things. You keep assigning misleading motives and beliefs to people.

What does white privilege mean and how do you interpret the term?

What is your solution to the problem?

 

[Onryoki]

Do you think that doing what you described is something that a person acting in good faith would do?

You think I’m a good person? LOL

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

And I am not sure why you are so afraid of judging people individually.

You already know my personal story. There are millions of other white people who may share similar stories. You know absolutely nothing about them.

Likewise, there are millions of black people who are born in superior circumstances than white people in America and around the world. On the other hand, I am sure that there are millions of black people who are born in inferior circumstances than white people in America and around the world. You know absolutely nothing about them either. If we were to keep track of privileges, the list would be endless.

Ironically, you are subscribing to a "white people are rich and privileged" and "black people are poor and oppressed" dichotomy, of which you claim to be a critic.

You can avoid this stereotype by simply judging people individually, which is what I have been taught to do and teach others to do.

We have been judging you individually.

Meanwhile, you can't even respond to a post I make without calling me a liberal or claiming I'm a Marxist and lumping me into collectives I do not belong to.
But you want to talk about judging people individually.

That's hypocrisy.
Individually judged hypocrisy.

 

[Marlow]

What does white privilege mean and how do you interpret the term?

What is your solution to the problem?

I've already defined it multiple times above, as have others. White Privilege is having White (and White Culture) be the default setting for what is considered normal. This might seem like a minor thing, but it can create a powerful ripple effect, as seen through multiple examples people have listed. Most of the time this isn't some nefarious thing, it's usually an unconscious bias.

The solution is to first try and become more aware, and second attempt to make corrections. For example if we find out that black business owners are more likely to be rejected for business loans than white business owners, maybe we try and give new lending guidance to banks, or have the banks do an internal investigation as to why this outcome is happening, or work with banks to have more diversity on their loan officer team.

 

[M2Dave]

We have been judging you individually.

Meanwhile, you can't even respond to a post I make without calling me a liberal or claiming I'm a Marxist and lumping me into collectives I do not belong to.
But you want to talk about judging people individually.

That's hypocrisy.
Individually judged hypocrisy.

I do not perceive you as Marxist, but I do think you are liberal. I am confident that I know where most posters in this thread stand ideologically.

Conservative
- Sub_On_Dubs

Classical Liberal

• ChaosTheory
• Jokey77
• M2Dave

Centrist

• Anarchist_Gib
• Dankster Morgan
• Onryoki

Liberal

• Crimson Shadow
• Juggs
• Haketh
• Lt. Boxy Angelman
• Marlow
• RoboCop
• Rude

Socialist

• ItsYaBoy
• Kabelfritz
• Mrapchem
• Pangolin-man

Marxist

- King Hippo

 

[M2Dave]

For example if we find out that black business owners are more likely to be rejected for business loans than white business owners, maybe we try and give new lending guidance to banks, or have the banks do an internal investigation as to why this outcome is happening...

Fair enough.

...or work with banks to have more diversity on their loan officer team.

Who is going to work with banks to encourage them to be more diverse? The government?

 

[Marlow]

It's also helpful to clarify what White Privilege is not:

It's not saying that all white people are rich, or that white people don't struggle with poverty, or never have anything bad happen to them. It's not saying that black people or other minorities are less valuable, or that black people are never born with any advantages. It's not saying that all white people are racist.

White privilege is not the assumption that everything a white person has accomplished is unearned .

Here's another good article that gives some good examples of white privilege: https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-privilege-really

"For many, white privilege was an invisible force that white people needed to recognize. It was being able to walk into a store and find that the main displays of shampoo and panty hose were catered toward your hair type and skin tone. It was being able to turn on the television and see people of your race widely represented. It was being able to move through life without being racially profiled or unfairly stereotyped. All true. "

 

[Marlow]

Who is going to work with banks to encourage them to be more diverse? The government?

That's one option, sure. Or sometimes different industries normally form their own private governing or licensing bodies, so something like that might work provided you have enough confidence in an industry to police itself.

It doesn't have to be as drastic as forcing a bank to hire minorities to reach a quota. It could simply be asking the bank to do an internal examination into their hiring practices.

 

[Rude]

I do not perceive you as Marxist, but I do think you are liberal. I am confident that I know where most posters in this thread stand ideologically.

Conservative
- Sub_On_Dubs

Classical Liberal

• ChaosTheory
• Jokey77
• M2Dave

Centrist

• Anarchist_Gib
• Dankster Morgan
• Onryoki

Liberal

• Crimson Shadow
• Juggs
• Haketh
• Lt. Boxy Angelman
• Marlow
• RoboCop
• Rude

Socialist

• ItsYaBoy
• Kabelfritz
• Mrapchem
• Pangolin-man

Marxist

- King Hippo

So you're categorizing me as liberal based on...me asking you questions? Odd.

To get back on topic, as I've stated before your rhetoric seems to suggest that you do not believe systemic racism exists. If this is the case, why?

Follow-up question: Do you think African Americans are disproportionately policed?

 

[Swindle]

You seem to be obsessed with David Rubin, whom I mentioned once in this thread. He is not even in my top five "go-to sources" for news analysis and commentary.

1. Ben Shapiro
2. Young Turks
3. The Officer Tatum
4. John Oliver
5. Secular Talk

Marxism. Marxist. Marxiful. Marxilicious. Marxy Marximus

 

[M2Dave]

"For many, white privilege was an invisible force that white people needed to recognize. It was being able to walk into a store and find that the main displays of shampoo and panty hose were catered toward your hair type and skin tone. It was being able to turn on the television and see people of your race widely represented. It was being able to move through life without being racially profiled or unfairly stereotyped. All true. "

The article is assuming that every white person is racist and/or implicitly obsessed with race. To follow the given example, I think most white people will refuse to purchase a brand of shampoo because they dislike the price and/or the scent instead of disliking the shampoo bottle because of a pictured black man or woman. I genuinely feel like an idiot having to point out this fact.

That's one option, sure. Or sometimes different industries normally form their own private governing or licensing bodies, so something like that might work provided you have enough confidence in an industry to police itself.

It doesn't have to be as drastic as forcing a bank to hire minorities to reach a quota. It could simply be asking the bank to do an internal examination into their hiring practices.

A company is most likely to hire the person, whether white or black, best-suited for the job because it is in the human resource department's best interest to do so.

This entire implicit bias nonsense has zero scientific value because it is extremely difficult to prove. You have to be able to read people's minds or assume people are racist by nature.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

A company is most likely to hire the person, whether white or black, best-suited for the job because it is in the human resource department's best interest to do so.

This entire implicit bias nonsense has zero scientific value because it is extremely difficult to prove. You have to be able to read people's minds or assume people are racist by nature.

Yeah, this actually isn't true and has been disproven by multiple blind studies.

Hiring, in the vast majority of cases, is not merit based. This is why social connections and networking matter -- because people are most likely to hire someone they feel comfortable with and see themselves being around every day, NOT often the person who is most qualified for the job. The corporate environment is a social one just as much as it's a business one.

This also applies to promotions, raises, performance reviews, and everything else.

I mean, this is like business 101.

And what makes people 'comfortable' has its implicit biases. This is why we've ended up with so many corporate situations that were later exposed to be full of tenets that marginalize certain groups of people.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I think white privilege is a thing. The actual definition, obviously I don't think any white people need to feel fuckin guilty over things that they had no control over, or that being white means they're inherently racist, like everyone else, nobody chooses their color. But the country being founded by white people and majority white means things will naturally be tailored to white people / white culture, hence the privilege. I don't think the people in this thread are vilifying white people, which is the definition of white privilege Dave is arguing against, I think y'all are closer to agreement than you think you are... How obvious things like white privilege are is also based on personal experience. I hadn't really became aware of it until recently, in my particular region I grew up in, went to school in, and live in now is basically an even split between White / Mexican / Native. For that reason, regional specific things aren't specifically tailored to white people, but national wide things are, as there is a white majority. Recognizing white privilege doesn't mean I feel guilty for being white or that I see other races as victims, I'm still a strict individualist, but it is definitely a thing on a national level.

It doesn't discredit anything I or other white people have done, obviously discrediting the accomplishments of a white person using white privilege as the excuse is racist, denying it entirely is as well though. It's just the same as labeling a minority as a diversity hire. Although not malicious in intent, ignorance can still be harmful. I've made an ass out of myself plenty of times but I feel like I'm learning.

 

[M2Dave]

Yeah, this actually isn't true and has been disproven by multiple blind studies.

Hiring, in the vast majority of cases, is not merit based. This is why social connections and networking matter -- because people are most likely to hire someone they feel comfortable with and see themselves being around every day, NOT often the person who is most qualified for the job. The corporate environment is a social one just as much as it's a business one.

I mean, this is like business 101.

And what makes people 'comfortable' has its implicit biases. This is why we've ended up with so many corporate situations that were later exposed to be full of tenets that marginalize certain groups of people.

You are obviously 100% right about connections and networking, but as usual you cannot help yourself but engage in race baiting in all aspects of American life.