You're complaining about invinicbility frames on mutpunch as a wakeup but if you understand that you shouldn't try to armor break (flipkick) if you read a wakeup then why are you complaining about it...? It makes no sense. You either block on oki or make a read, regardless of nutpunch being invincible.
This is a joke right?
I made that statement because that guy said we Mileena players were complaining about nutpunch. But the move needs to lose its invincibility frames, Mileena match-up aside.
pls understand
can you give a reason explaining why other than "i don't like that she has it". invincibilty frames taken off doesnt make her any less unchallengable on kd nor does it make the move any more safe if you block it. it's a weird thing to complain about
The fact that it avoids damage, against EX flipkick you can do a meaty move and it will trade (of course in her favor) but let's say she has 1% of life remaining and the oponent has 2%, the oponent knocks her down and a meaty normal should kill her no matter if she wakes up or not... But oh surprise, she has an invincible move that avoids damage.
I didn't say to make it slower, and I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at by mentioning it's startup.
The start-up is what makes is invincinble... In order to make it an armored mov you'd have to slow it down.
strykie sorry we can't talk about how are max damage 20% unsafe, height-dependent pseudo vortex gets punished for almost 40% meterless by most of the cast if we guess wrong. sorry we can be safe sometimes for a bar. not plus 7, plus 14 low launching safe or launching armor safe, just safe.
starter flipkick b1 nut is the max damage setup. and if you managed to time it right you get the guaranteed low. the f3 is way too tight with a very high nutpunch to call guaranteed.
The startup would be the same, it would just activate with armored frames instead of invincible ones. I wasn't actually endorsing changing EX Fade, I just mentioned it for comparison's sake. Sometimes unusual properties help to keep things interesting.
Hollywood's zonning is waaay better than spec ops's. I think what we are asking for is not a tremor-rockdrop like startup, but a buff just enough to cancel them safe out of her highest block cancel string b2,1,2,1+2, otherwise except for ex-rockets the only place where they can be really used for setups is the corner.
only a few starters and enders allow for the np to be higher than +3 and her 50s start in 13+ frames and fast pokes beside d1/3 are highs
b12, opponent backdashes then what?cassie doesn't have the frames to run forward and "catch" that backdash with another starter, she can guess and go for a flip but unless it's ex (which still requires meter) it's generally not worth the risk
Realistically, how many true hard knockdown setups grant enough time for the opponent to meaty neutral jump kick?
oh god
Of course it is because of instant air gunshots. But specs op is not a heavily zoning variation, it's setup based. The objective shouldn't be to zone out the opponent IMO, it should be about conversions and reads. Sure it can zone to some degree but a safe startup would make her stupid. No, there's midscreen setups and conversions off of reads. Spec Ops is heavily risk/reward but people want to minimize risks.
Sorry I'm calling you out for your idea that you can downplay how good the move is by stating that some characters can make a read and maybe get a punish when I'm willing to bet that most can't.
You know where I can find Spec ops tips? Any time I play Spec Ops to mess around I just end combos in B12xxMissile midscreen.
