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Breakthrough - Kung Lao [EO Beta Closed] Kung Lao Beta Changes Discussion

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TheGoldenJew

TheGoldenJew

PSN: The_Golden_Jew1
Eddy Wang said:
They're catering for what TYM cries, some of these changes feels like a direct response to what ppl has been crying. I don't really play tempest but i can understand how bad this is.

Like wtf, nerfing a 2f link?
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Just gotta roll with the punchies homie
 
DarksydeDash

DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
Well it is a beta, maybe some of these changes won't be final. And hopefully they will add more, like buffs for Buzzsaw and Hat Trick.
 
TommyKing5

TommyKing5

But the saw... the saw is family
I don't play Lao, but these nerfs weren't necessary. Ex Hat Spin should not suck you in, if you can't punish it, go to practice and see how you can punish it.

But what pisses me off the most is how Buzzsaw and Hat Trick remain virtually untouched. The whole point of 'balancing' is to make everything viable. I'm not saying Buzz and Trick aren't viable, they just need some help to get people playing them more than Tempest. Just my 2 cents.
 
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KillThGovernment

Noob
Why NRS? Oh i know why, TYM. Ex hat shouldnt have been touched. The tornado change is dumb its almost like come punish me now because it wasnt punishable before lol. Damager nerf on 44 link cmonn.
 
Carl

Carl

Mortal
TommyKing5 said:
I don't play Lao, but these nerfs weren't necessary. Ex Hat Spin should not suck you in, if you can't punish it, go to practice and see how you can punish it.

But what pisses me off the most is how Buzzsaw and Hat Trick remain virtually untouched. The whole point of 'balancing' is to make everything viable. I'm not saying Buzz and Trick aren't viable, they just need some help to get people playing them more than Tempest. Just my 2 cents.
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Exactly if some scrub cannot punish a unsafe spin then go back to fucking practice and learn just like everyone else.
So basically the ex-orbiting hat is useless now.
Then buzzsaw n trick are untouched pffft what a joke.
I simply dont want to learn another character i just want to stick with him.
 
Carl

Carl

Mortal
Like come on NRS he has gaps all over the place he needed that ex-orbiting hat to keep pressure going it makes sense.
 
The Celebrity

The Celebrity

Professional Googler
Carl said:
Exactly if some scrub cannot punish a unsafe spin then go back to fucking practice and learn just like everyone else..
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Whys this change matter at all to Lao players? Ideally it shouldn't change anything for you unless your gameplan was for people to fuck up trying to punish EX Spin... If you expected to be punished everytime for using a -28 ability on block, there's really no reason to complain. A blocked spin is a full combo punish, time to play like it actually is.
 
Carl

Carl

Mortal
So you get the 2frame link nerfed - plus to get the 2frame link you risk using the hat spin because there is a gap inbetween and then you have to worry you dont drop your 44 because there is another gap.
 
DDutchguy

DDutchguy

Stand 4'ing airplanes out of the sky
As a non-Lao player I'll probably get stabbed when I say the EX-orbiting hat nerf was justified. At +7 now there is still the battle of the opponent either armoring out (which you can respect on a read and punish), backdash (which you may be able to catch with a delayed B2 or F2) or doing nothing (gives you block pressure). In any case, I doubt Tempest is no longer top tier.

What strikes me as odd is the lack of reported Buzzsaw and Hat Trick buffs. May have to do with the beta being behind on certain changes (confirmed by Paulo that this is sometimes the case). Or not, which would be weird.
 
Saltea Moonspell

Saltea Moonspell

"Mind Over Matter" I dont mind, and X dont matter
From now on Foxy G days are not going to be so colorful lol. I think those changes are good. +7 still gives free f2 attemp with fallow up I think.
 
zoofs

zoofs

bless
anyone who says buzzsaw might be better now is nuts, its a decent variation but really not that great and could even use some changes which is why I was surprised when it had nothing different after I checked it out
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Champion
Been playing the beta all night.

Character is still good. Definitely not top 1. Maybe not even top tier.

The problem with Lao is that he doesn't have loads of dirt to back up his relentless pressure. People painted him as this perfect character when he's not. His bad pokes and lack of mix ups are even more glaring now that his pressure took another hit.
 
Carl

Carl

Mortal
Tweedy said:
Been playing the beta all night.

Character is still good. Definitely not top 1. Maybe not even top tier.

The problem with Lao is that he doesn't have loads of dirt to back up his relentless pressure. People painted him as this perfect character when he's not. His bad pokes and lack of mix ups are even more glaring now that his pressure took another hit.
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Yeah i agree with you on that. I'm just thinking how you can do pressure game with him since that you use ex-hat and i noticed you can jump out and some even poke.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Champion
Carl said:
Yeah i agree with you on that. I'm just thinking how you can do pressure game with him since that you use ex-hat and i noticed you can jump out and some even poke.
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Yeah, EX hat is just a less advantageous mind game. Before they couldn't poke out of B3, you could jail 11, F2, D4, etc. All of that is gone. Jailing 11 was the only thing that I would have taken away, by making it like +10, but i'm not a developer.
 
Invincible Salads

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
Tweedy said:
Yeah, EX hat is just a less advantageous mind game. Before they couldn't poke out of B3, you could jail 11, F2, D4, etc. All of that is gone. Jailing 11 was the only thing that I would have taken away, by making it like +10, but i'm not a developer.
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except 11 didnt jail because it didnt reach in time to do so anyways, so the only things you reaaally had to respect are d4 and f2, which on hit served to keep pressure going, d4 on block is pretty much opponents turn and f2 on block is neutral.




....fucking stupid nerf.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Champion
Invincible Salads said:
except 11 didnt jail because it didnt reach in time to do so anyways, so the only things you reaaally had to respect are d4 and f2, which on hit served to keep pressure going, d4 on block is pretty much opponents turn and f2 on block is neutral.




....fucking stupid nerf.
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11 jailed. You just had to be very precise with your run cancel.
 
stamatis

stamatis

Όσα δε φτάνει η αλεπού. ........
Eddy Wang said:
They're catering for what TYM cries, some of these changes feels like a direct response to what ppl has been crying. I don't really play tempest but i can understand how bad this is.

Like wtf, nerfing a 2f link?
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Since when NRS cares about what the community say?
 
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