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Breakthrough - Kung Lao [EO Beta Closed] Kung Lao Beta Changes Discussion

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STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
This is just a theory and I could be wrong....

Maybe they made EX Hat Spin less plus by extending the recovery on it, so that more reversals can properly get through B321xxEX Hat Spin without Lao being able to block them?

But even then that would only open up leeway for armored reversals 11 frames or faster to do it, that doesn't really put everyone on an equal playing field. Heck the only armored launchers I can think of with that kind of speed are Cage's EX Nutpunch, Warlock Quan's EX Scoop, and Lao's own EX Spins.

I mean of course it would make more sense to change the actual blockstun animation of EX hat spin but I can understand that it may be too much legwork for NRS.

I dunno, maybe there are going to be significant changes to Hat Trick that NRS are yet to finalize....
 
Agilaz

Agilaz

It has begun
just_2swift said:
J2 did get nerfed
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Out of curiosity, how?

Cause joking aside, this is the only nerf that I would have wanted for KL. I don't care about the rest so much, it's his J2 that was incredibly godlike that frustrated me, so how did it get nerfed?
 
Perdition

Perdition

Your friendly neighborhood cynic
Screw Kung Lao. With all his damn tools, these nerfs should make it to the final version of the game. Ji2 had no business being that damn good.

But one nerf that makes no sense is ex spin pulling you in...I play 8 characters and I have NEVER had issues punishing it. But whatever, with all the misery Lao has given me since MKX released, its time for you guys to suffer a bit now.
 
WiseM0nkey

WiseM0nkey

welcome to the ButtSlam
b3 follow up pokable? nice, giving the fact that everybody is getting a 6/7f d1.

RIP Tempest doe :DOGE

buzzsaw should get more dmg potential.
 
THTB

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
just_2swift said:
Shits DEAD. it does nothing he can't even air to air anymore
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If it still hits you from half screen, it's cool. The move will have a niche purpose as a jump punish tool. You'll have to j1 for a better air-to-air.
 
DrFolmer

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
Tempest was fine. All the talk about easier throw techs will be significant against Lao anyway, as it is his way of opening up his opponents.

I do like that Cyclone sucks the opponent in on block just like on hit. Even pro players sometimes mess up the punish.

Everything else should be reverted IMO
 
DDutchguy

DDutchguy

Stand 4'ing airplanes out of the sky
DrFolmer said:
Tempest was fine. All the talk about easier throw techs will be significant against Lao anyway, as it is his way of opening up his opponents.

I do like that Cyclone sucks the opponent in on block just like on hit. Even pro players sometimes mess up the punish.

Everything else should be reverted IMO
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Tempest being fine is a bit of a stretch. His EX orbiting hat gave him insane mixup potential and too good of a corner game in my opinion. Now that it's +7 the opponent now actually has an option if they have the meter for it (in the corner). You could just always condition the opponent to respect the +7 by punishing an armor out attempt at some point in the match.
 
WiseM0nkey

WiseM0nkey

welcome to the ButtSlam
DDutchguy said:
Tempest being fine is a bit of a stretch. His EX orbiting hat gave him insane mixup potential and too good of a corner game in my opinion. Now that it's +7 the opponent now actually has an option if they have the meter for it (in the corner). You could just always condition the opponent to respect the +7 by punishing an armor out attempt at some point in the match.
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sorry man, but everything he did after ex hat at +12 was pretty much armorable/pokable, except a d4, wich added a mindgame for the opponent. you had the options. as i said multiple times, now you have to 100% bait armour after spending a bar.
 
Cameronwinss

Cameronwinss

Hay gurl hay
DDutchguy said:
Tempest being fine is a bit of a stretch. His EX orbiting hat gave him insane mixup potential and too good of a corner game in my opinion. Now that it's +7 the opponent now actually has an option if they have the meter for it (in the corner). You could just always condition the opponent to respect the +7 by punishing an armor out attempt at some point in the match.
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Fuck that. What even is conditioning. What are respect. THINKING ARE HARD, Me nO likeY
 
Carl

Carl

Mortal
Now as a tempest main my job has become harder to pressure people and open there asses up.

But unless buzzsaw gets big damage and that fucking hat comes back quickly ill be happy.
 
ienjoywinning

ienjoywinning

Warrior
The spin sucking you in and the ji2 reduce is understandable , but the rest is absolutely not , the throw universal nerf already hurt him big time , now its harder for him to open up people and his damage was fine , maybe a 1% or 2% but not 3%+ ! Well even worse is that ppl said there were rumors that he was getting those changes before this which leads me to think that the quan nerfs might actually be true. On the bright side hopefully hat trick and buzzsaw got something.
 
N00B

N00B

Noob
ABSOLUTELY STUPID NERF IS MAKING EX HAT +7... REALLY? NOW YOU SPEND ONE FUCKING BAR FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED AFTER EX HAT NOW. CHARACTERS WITH 6-8 FR NORMALS WHEN THEY NOT HAVE METER CAN INTERRUPTE B321 AFTER EX HAT NOW, ITS FUCKING STUPID B321 ALREADY HAVE FUCKING GAP SO DOES F23, F21, 112124...
NOW YOU JUST SPEND THE FUCKING ONE BAR AND ONLY OPTION YOU CAN DO IF OPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER IS F2 AND YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT HITCONFIRMING F2... LAO IS CHARACTER THAT DOESNT HAVE MIX UPS, AND ALSO LACK OF FAST NORMALS... WHATS WRONG WITH NRS? AND NERFING DAMAGE AFTER LINK..... NERFING EX HAT +7 AND NERFING DAMAGE ON 44 OH AND EX SPIN SUCK YOU ON BLOCK... IS ABSOLUTELY UNECESSARY NERFS!
HE WAS FINE WITH +12 AND DAMAGE, ONLY UNFAIR TOOL THAT HE HAD IS J2, THEY JUST SHOULDVE NERFED J2 THATS ALL .

IM REALLY HOPED THEY BUFFING HIM IN GENERAL, GIVING HIM VERY FAST NORMALS AND MORE USEFULL STRINGS LIKE
6 FR S1, 8 FR 11, 8 FR B1 -4, 13 FR B3, 10 FR F2, 12 FR F3 -2, 11 FR F4 -6, FIXING WHIFF PROBLEMS IN B1, B12, REMOVING GAPS IN F23 AND F34 BUT NERFING EX HAT +10, REG HAT -5 , NERFING HIS DAMAGE BUT NOT AFTER LINK, NERFING J2 WOULD BE REASONABLE AND THAT WOULD HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS .
AND EVEN IF LAO GETS FAST NORMALS HE WOULD STILL SUCK IN TEMPEST IF EX HAT STAY +7...

AFTER THAT NERFS NO ONE TRUE LAO MAIN CANT WIN A TOURNAMENT OR MAKE TOP 8 NOW... OH WAIT EVEN ON LAST 3 BIG TOURNAMENTS NO ONE TRUE LAO MAIN DIDNT WIN OR MAKE TOP 8, ITS NOT BECAUSE LAO PLAYERS IS BAD ITS BECAUSE IS KUNG LAO IS OVERRATED AF! TOP 1 BLA BLA BLA... NO BAD MATCH UPS BLA BLA BLA...
AFTER THIS NERFS LAO MAINS IN THE FUTURE AT BIG TOURNAMENTS CANT EVEN MAKE IT OUT OF POOLS .

RAIDEN GETS A VERY LITTLE BUFFS SO DOES KENSHI, LAO GETS A COUPLE UNECESSARY NERFS... BUT THEY BUFFED SHITANA AGAIN, JAX AND DIDNT NERFED STUPID TAKEDA. NOW LAO HAS TWO OR MORE 7-3 MATCHUPS KITANA IS DEF 7-3 NOW, JAX IS 7-3 NOW, TAKEDA RONIN 7-3 TOO... BALANCED GAME SHOULD NOT HAVE A FUCKING 7-3 MATCHUPS YOU FUCKING FOOLS!
FUCK THIS GAME! I HOPE THIS GAME IS DIED VERY SOON WITH THAT ANNOYING BITCHES KITANA, MILEENA, CASSIE, JACQUI, DVORA, TANYA, STUPID LIT BITCH TAKEDA, STUPID FARTING AND PUKING BO RAI CHO... FUCK THIS GAME!!!
FUCK THIS STUPID GAME! FUCK YOU BITCHES, HATERS, CRYBABIES, FUCK ALL OF YOU!
 
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