Early Top 5 thoughts from Sonic Fox

[SaSSolino]

Ok well someone just said it's -5 so it's kinda like a really ass trident rush.

http://alphabla.de/inj2/index.php?id=26

mb breath is -5 to ur turn is over

if they are blocking you can cancel an otherwise unsafe string into d4 for -2

After some travel time, -5 becomes plus easy. Black Adam's MB divekick becomes from -4 to +10 just because he hits the opponent a little lower allowing him to recover faster, you really expect Supergirl to be different?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Also Green Lantern is not a bad character. Good lord...

 

[Dankster Morgan]

After some travel time, -5 becomes plus easy. Black Adam's MB divekick becomes from -4 to +10 just because he hits the opponent a little lower and recovers faster, you really expect Supergirl to be different?

Would you be able to even capitalize from that distance? @Juggs @CrimsonShadow is that a thing w/ SG?

 

[hayatei]

Bc of darkseid tele he is externally
Hard to out zone. Dead shot and super girl have the best chance bc u can't rest to their projectile.

He has room for a lot of creativity for mix ups and hits like a truck. Also, 1400 health! I get to play M2dave's a a lot and I'm starting to see his depth.

Robin has top 3 footsies with aqua and green lantern. No really mix up potential unless there is something with his trait we don't know. I played raptors in a long set. Robin is zoneable but his footsies are amazing.

robin outfootsies aquaman loololol

 

[TamedLizard]

...um all of it lol

Hyperbole?

 

[Lokheit]

Also, 1400 health!

That number is terribly misleading and in fact he's ranked on the lower half on the "hard to kill" department.

DEF is a direct divisor to damage, which means with a DEF value of 1, characters would resist a number of damage points equal to DEF x HP, in this table I call that "Vitality" and I've sorted characters by it (A1 and A2 are characters with the same defensive stats but different offensive stats).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17GSoCQLdXIl38s36rvyCwSqZ7u1oZMpV55_QVsKvUFs/edit#gid=0

 

[@MylesWright_]

...um all of it lol

Besides MB trait and 2d2 which is only +1, everything is negative

 

[SaSSolino]

Would you be able to even capitalize from that distance? @Juggs @CrimsonShadow is that a thing w/ SG?

Tested.

After cancelling her d1 at max range in MB breath she is in b1 range, however she's isn't as plus as I thought, probably +2/+3 tops, her b1 has a 9f startup though.

Alternatively she can just do it raw at starting distance and be + a bazillion, b1 isn't in range anymore though.

Her best option is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Tested.

After cancelling her d1 at max range in MB breath she is in b1 range, however she's isn't as plus as I thought, probably +2/+3 tops, her b1 has a 9f startup though.

Alternatively she can just do it raw at starting distance and be + a bazillion, b1 isn't in range anymore though.

Her best option is probably somewhere in the middle.

Interesting, that's good to know. I don't know if it'll be worth the bar all the time, but I'm not a Supergirl player. Thanks for testing.

 

[RNLDRGN]

People dont play this mu properly . When you zone him out and pushblock him when he got his trait out and tries to mix you hes not that scary. His wakeup sucks too , and you can backdash when he mb it for + frames . Without trait all of his mixups are very unsafe .

Now I will say also that I think deadshot is not top 5 . People now think he is but with time he will get worse trust me .

INJUSTICE: DOWNPLAYERS AMONG US

 

[RNLDRGN]

Fight me Bro - My living tier list

"living"

S+

Batman

Aquaman

Deadshot

Adam

Darkseid

Superman

Atrocitus

A+
Harley

Canary

Robin

Supergirl


A

Firestorm

GL

poison Ivy

Catwoman

Joker

Dr Fate

Flash

Scarecrow

Cheetah

Arrow

Cyborg

Beetle

Bane


B+

Brainiac

Cold

WW

Grodd


C trash

Swamp

Joker seems high and Darkseid (unless I'm missing something) seems a tad high, but I'll agree he's good.

Otherwise, pretty spot on.

 

[TheRealOnlyGoonie]

I haven't got to play supergirl yet. She has good zoning and mobility. What are the big issues with her?

I know people say her damage is low. And b12 to whatever follow up can be poked out. Just curious your thoughts on why's she is bad

NEVER SAID SHE WAS BAD. SHE JUST NOT TOP 5.

 

[LaidbackOne]

INJUSTICE: DOWNPLAYERS AMONG US

Don't mind him. This guy said that pre patch Alien was ok and that everyone should just learn the MU.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Joker seems high and Darkseid (unless I'm missing something) seems a tad high, but I'll agree he's good.

Otherwise, pretty spot on.

Check out sonic w darkseid this Sunday 10pm est

Hit me up after

Also HeyGeorge and bdog's jokers will change your mind. Character is basically a very mobile Cyrax from mk9

 

[RNLDRGN]

Check out sonic w darkseid this Sunday 10pm est

Hit me up after

Also HeyGeorge and bdog's jokers will change your mind. Character is basically a very mobile Cyrax from mk9

Good to know. I will stay tuned.

I'm glad you recognize that Swamp needs help too. The character has so many tools and is very complex and fun--but Christ does he have serious issues and get lamed out so easily once you know the MU.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Good to know. I will stay tuned.

I'm glad you recognize that Swamp needs help too. The character has so many tools and is very complex and fun--but Christ does he have serious issues and get lamed out so easily once you know the MU.

I feel though he is absolutely salavgaebale

Couple fixes

 

[RNLDRGN]

I feel though he is absolutely salavgaebale

Couple fixes

Agreed.

My vote is for speeding up B3/F3, giving him some better recovery on F233/B233 (so you can nab meterless damage without insanely tight links), and making his clone (db3) either hold longer or give him actual options vs zoning.

That's pretty much it.

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

People dont play this mu properly . When you zone him out and pushblock him when he got his trait out and tries to mix you hes not that scary. His wakeup sucks too , and you can backdash when he mb it for + frames . Without trait all of his mixups are very unsafe .

Now I will say also that I think deadshot is not top 5 . People now think he is but with time he will get worse trust me .

Most top 5 characters you have to push block. Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Atrocious all have really good pressure that keeps opponents in the corner.

 

[TheJaquio]

Fight me Bro - My living tier list

"living"

S+

Batman

Aquaman

Deadshot

Adam

Darkseid

Superman

Atrocitus

A+
Harley

Canary

Robin

Supergirl


A

Firestorm

GL

poison Ivy

Catwoman

Joker

Dr Fate

Flash

Scarecrow

Cheetah

Arrow

Cyborg

Beetle

Bane


B+

Brainiac

Cold

WW

Grodd


C trash

Swamp

What are your thoughts on Bane that make him bottom 6 (assuming your list is in order)? Seems like people are placing him all over spectrum, from among the worst to top ten.

 

[RiBBz22]

parma at m2daves. i hv 3 kids and still make it.

Yeah I dunno how you manage that lol. What days do you guys play?

 

[alkipot]

"... once people learn the matchup"

The downplayers' battle cry here it seems lol.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

What are your thoughts on Bane that make him bottom 6 (assuming your list is in order)? Seems like people are placing him all over spectrum, from among the worst to top ten.

I've self admitted bane is the most confusing right now, honestly if you don't mind I would put an * by his name to denote I honestly don't know

 

[Dogeofthesea]

that Catwhore can evade almost all F3s and B3s in this game and punish with trait.
except for Cheetah's F3 (it has 2 hits)
So, bottom 3, buff please.

 

[Wetdoba]

I've self admitted bane is the most confusing right now, honestly if you don't mind I would put an * by his name to denote I honestly don't know

Bane definitely has super strong tools still but his match ups are what will determine him in the long run and those are still a giant work in progress. If I had to say now Id put him upper mid, top 15, but theres still potential sleeper characters I dont know much about or played against yet. How he uses the new mechanics and new venom usage is still being optimized too.

 

[SaSSolino]

Agreed.

My vote is for speeding up B3/F3, giving him some better recovery on F233/B233 (so you can nab meterless damage without insanely tight links), and making his clone (db3) either hold longer or give him actual options vs zoning.

That's pretty much it.

I'm with you that he needs some help, but wouldn't better recovery on f233 be a little much? He's barely minus as it is.