You're not doing the F213 FBDC accurately enough, it's about plus 5, an 8 frame move shouldn't beat another F2.
MIT at EVO after he beat me I asked him how and where I get out and he shrugged and said you can't. @FOREVER KINGconfirmed with me that quan had no options against Tanya and the same thing happened to him and mike and YOMII've never lost to a Quan Chi. Not once . Quote me on it. I have no personal bias here. I understand however that my QC opponents have been pretty trash, and it's not hard to realise what the character is capable of. Just looking at his consistent tournament placings from the jump all the way to top 5 at Evo shows that, for those such as yourself who are pretending to be incapable of recognising that (no coincidence that it benefits you to do so right), or downplaying it.
But I'll humour you for a minute - what known non-Quan Chi tournament players have said Quan should get these buffs or any buff at all, and where?
Maybe this is a sign that you argument is pretty weak, and all you are doing is just yelling it the loudest until people give up. Just a thought.
I am not disagreeing with you on the first part, I am not a liu kang player this is just me trying to recreate this normal dash cancel here with my fat thumbs. but this does not appear to be plus 5, not for a normal dash cancel. Run cancel, absolutely
Well most other characters have a poke or armored move fast enough to beat given follow ups when he's plus 2, Quan Chi has neither, even in Warlock. I'm pretty sure Quan mains who understand the variation system are okay with Summoner inherently having sub-par defensive options, just not Wound Cowboy tier.I am not disagreeing with you on the first part, I am not a liu kang player this is just me trying to recreate this normal dash cancel here with my fat thumbs. but this does not appear to be plus 5, not for a normal dash cancel. Run cancel, absolutely
didnt realize you meant BF2 MB, didnt know that was an entirely different move. pretty good stuff there.
so i think i get the general gist of it. F213 RC x 2 into F213 BF2MB x 2 back into F213RC x 2 etc. he can do that to pretty much everyone though right? so i guess the argument is that we cant armor through and we need something faster?
Dunno if i like that argument, if he gets three bars and traps me in the corner he can do non stop chip for 40 seconds and do buku damage. I do the same to him and I will kill him, regardless if he blocks or not, and i can do it in under 10
seems fair
Do you remember what exactly he was doing? I could probably tell you how to get out of it.
I don't. I just remember trying everything. Jumping poking, even ex sky drop at one point lol. I got best everytime
Yeah if you dont know exactly where to jump or poke you wont be getting out.
yeah ive labbed the MU since then and kinda figured out i think it was the tele cancels that he was getting me with. it makes a lot of her moves 7f or faster which he cant escape from
Yeah you gotta wait for her to burn her stamina then try and find a way out. I dont envy Quan players in that instance.
Heres what i found.
No cause you can jump over that and F22 wasp cancel and b1 wasp cancel can be armored, hell throw out a normal and punish. Only way to make it "safe" is to cancel into block immediately after the wasp cancel
The thing about her tele cancels is you can reversal throw after the string. She can read which one you are going to do and use b2 if she thinks your going to back throw or B1 if she thinks your going to forward throw, but even if she techs you still have a chance to escape(a slim one, but one nonetheless).
yeah thats kinda what i found. the risk/reward is really not in quans favour. At all lol
The risk/reward is always in Tanyas favor, that isnt a Quan exclusive issue.
Where i think the poke would help is when she staggers the df2,df1. A d3 into meter portal grab would help him escape that