Delaying Wake-up Attacks + New Way to Stuff Wake-ups

[NoobHunter420]

u knew that characters like catwoman/raven can get out of vortexes by just changing their wake-up timings when the majority of the community have been saying these characters "can't get up"? u knew that certain characters can stuff wake-ups by timing a meaty so that not even characters like AM/Zod can wake-up? right... idk if this is a troll

it is known that most if not all characters can delay their wake ups to avoid getting it stuffed by normals.
you might want to watch some of GGA's stream.

 

[WakeUp DP]

As if wake ups werent weak enough already (batman's) you find new ways to stuff it? lol this game is a joke.

 

[WakeUp DP]

MASSIVE blowup for players who don't know about this. Seriously we have so many that spew matchup numbers and tier lists who don't understand the mechanics of the game.

Why do you think chars that didnt need all the nerfs that they received got it?
Its bc
Players claiming to be top players because they had done decent at majors that dont fully understand the mechanics of the game....

And im not talking about CDjr...

 

[Rip Torn]

As if wake ups werent weak enough already (batman's) you find new ways to stuff it? lol this game is a joke.

So because every character can't wakeup for free 100% of the time, the game is a joke? In most fighting games, a knockdown actually means something.

 

[coolwhip]

Bird Lao X is a very unoriginal hidey. Step your game up.

 

[WakeUp DP]

So because every character can't wakeup for free 100% of the time, the game is a joke? In most fighting games, a knockdown actually means something.

In MK9 Kung Lao had a spin for a wake up, it had frames on invinsibility etc but you know why it wasnt for free?

You guess it... It was full combo punishable. Its like people dont have common sense anymore.

 

[WakeUp DP]

Bird Lao X is a very unoriginal hidey. Step your game up.

Your name is taken from a family guy scene... I wouldn't be taking about originality if I was you lol...

Btw I respect your knowledge and you usually post decent comments. Nothing against you... Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

 

[Eric The Scruffy]

So because every character can't wakeup for free 100% of the time, the game is a joke? In most fighting games, a knockdown actually means something.

I guess people have already forgotten when this game was called "Injustice: Wakeups Among Us" because of how good and ridiculous some of the wakeups in this game are. I swear, people will find any reason they can to complain about this game.

 

[Eric The Scruffy]

So by your logic Scorps nerfs were fine because people cried about it?

....making an argument that people should stop complaining and learn to play the game equates to "nerf please"? Seems legit.

 

[ryublaze]

it is known that most if not all characters can delay their wake ups to avoid getting it stuffed by normals.
you might want to watch some of GGA's stream.

uhh you have guys in this thread, some of whom are or used to be GGA members, saying that catwoman can't wake-up. I'm pretty sure people have been saying this for a long time. Go to any cw/raven match-up thread and you'll see people saying they can't get up at all because of their shitty wake-ups. You hear commentators on stream saying she gets vortexed on knockdown. People i talk to outside of TYM have been saying the same thing. Using delayed wake-ups with these characters have only been mentioned a few times on TYM (see red reaper and doombawks) but their posts went ignored. That's why i made this thread so i could bring this dicussion to light.

The purpose of this thread was to talk about how characters with easily stuffable wake-ups can get up by changing the timing of their wake-ups and that they're not exactly free on knockdown. but i think some people thought that i was talking about delayed wake-ups in general (literally had to edit the thread and put catwoman in all caps). that's why the entire first page is filled with "ohhh we already knew this"

 

[Rip Torn]

In MK9 Kung Lao had a spin for a wake up, it had frames on invinsibility etc but you know why it wasnt for free?

You guess it... It was full combo punishable. Its like people dont have common sense anymore.

Thanks for describing that for me. I've been trying to wrap my head around MK9's complex wakeup mechanics for years.

 

[WakeUp DP]

Thanks for describing that for me. I've been trying to wrap my head around MK9's complex wakeup mechanics for years.

I did because by you saying "wake up for free" seemed to me that you didn't underetand how it was punisable and not free at all.

 

[WakeUp DP]

....making an argument that people should stop complaining and learn to play the game equates to "nerf please"? Seems legit.

You are right. I didnt read well. I deleted my post already.

 

[Doombawkz]

Using delayed wake-ups with these characters have only been mentioned a few times on TYM (see red reaper and doombawks) but their posts went ignored. That's why i made this thread so i could bring this dicussion to light.

The purpose of this thread was to talk about how characters with easily stuffable wake-ups can get up by changing the timing of their wake-ups and that they're not exactly free on knockdown. but i think some people thought that i was talking about delayed wake-ups in general (literally had to edit the thread and put catwoman in all caps). that's why the entire first page is filled with "ohhh we already knew this"

The irony that a Bane technician is the one saying their wake-ups aren't always free.
That being said, there is a bigger problem with their wake-ups, being the hitboxes. Neither have one that goes directly above them, so in a way its possible for them to get vortexed simply because they can't stop people from coming in over them. However, blocking an air move will let you backdash most follow-ups. I don't see enough people blocking and then backdash into a punish.

In the case of CW and Raven, they do have to hold that air approach from some characters. Which sucks.

 

[16 Bit]

uhh you have guys in this thread, some of whom are or used to be GGA members, saying that catwoman can't wake-up. I'm pretty sure people have been saying this for a long time. Go to any cw/raven match-up thread and you'll see people saying they can't get up at all because of their shitty wake-ups. You hear commentators on stream saying she gets vortexed on knockdown. People i talk to outside of TYM have been saying the same thing. Using delayed wake-ups with these characters have only been mentioned a few times on TYM (see red reaper and doombawks) but their posts went ignored. That's why i made this thread so i could bring this dicussion to light.

The purpose of this thread was to talk about how characters with easily stuffable wake-ups can get up by changing the timing of their wake-ups and that they're not exactly free on knockdown. but i think some people thought that i was talking about delayed wake-ups in general (literally had to edit the thread and put catwoman in all caps). that's why the entire first page is filled with "ohhh we already knew this"

The knockdown scenario is catastrophic for the characters without a fully invincible wakeup. It is essentially a vortex.

 

[ryublaze]

The irony that a Bane technician is the one saying their wake-ups aren't always free.
That being said, there is a bigger problem with their wake-ups, being the hitboxes. Neither have one that goes directly above them, so in a way its possible for them to get vortexed simply because they can't stop people from coming in over them.

The knockdown scenario is catastrophic for the characters without a fully invincible wakeup. It is essentially a vortex.

you're right it's still a vortex. i misworded my post :/

 

[Doombawkz]

you're right it's still a vortex. i misworded my post :/

Commit sepukku, retain what little honor you have left.

 

[Rip Torn]

I did because by you saying "wake up for free" seemed to me that you didn't underetand how it was punisable and not free at all.

I wasn't talking about KL's spin, that was you. I was talking about MK though. There's a bunch of safe wakeups that are fully invincible, especially with meter.

 

[WakeUp DP]

I wasn't talking about KL's spin, that was you. I was talking about MK though. There's a bunch of safe wakeups that are fully invincible, especially with meter.

Right and my point was to buff wake ups but also make them punishable on block.

 

[Rip Torn]

Right and my point was to buff wake ups but also make them punishable on block.

I wouldn't be totally against that as an idea for MKX. It does feel good to stuff wakeups and have oki setups though so I might miss some of that aspect.

 

[WakeUp DP]

I wouldn't be totally against that as an idea for MKX. It does feel good to stuff wakeups and have oki setups though so I might miss some of that aspect.

Yeah I mean not all chars should have super good wake ups, just balance them out.

Also on MKX NRs has said that only EX or MB wake up attacks are going to be fully invinsible or have invinsible for a few frames.
That it a nice idea of balancing them out imo, but well know once w get the game.

Cant wait for MKX!