Deathstroke Viable

[Error404]

Please do some research.

Everybody can crush Deathstroke's wake up attacks with a well-timed MB b+3.

Also, Wonder Woman can do d+3 which makes sword spin whiff. She then gets a full combo.

Almost every wake-up can be stuffed with mb b3 . Also Bane beats 95% of all wake ups . That doesn't make DSs wake-up any less invincible , your arguement is invalid.

 

[M2Dave]

Almost every wake-up can be stuffed with mb b3 .

I agree.

But just not, you know, the actual best wake up attacks in the game like Ares's, Shazam's, and Zatanna's teleports and The Flash's MB lightning charge.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Not necessarily because I CAN take action while mid-air. I still have the same advantage of +36, but me using it to land and me using it to club your head in with a TV screen don't make it any more/less than 36 frames.

No you can't act in mid air once you have swung (aside from canceling) so it is part of the recovery.

 

[Doombawkz]

I agree.

But just not, you know, the actual best wake up attacks in the game like Ares's, Shazam's, and Zatanna's teleports and The Flash's MB lightning charge.

Lightning Charge isn't one of the best wake-ups, in fact I'd rank it next to... Phase Charge from MMH.

You could probably make a case for some of Bane's wake-ups since they are naturally armored, or Catwoman's fully invincible safe-on-block trait wake-up, or something along those lines.
Although I'd definitely say the teleports are the best ones.

 

[Error404]

I agree.

But just not, you know, the actual best wake up attacks in the game like Ares's, Shazam's, and Zatanna's teleports and The Flash's MB lightning charge.

Apart from MB lighting charge all teleports can be punished without meter on a read , in my opinion the best wake-up move is KFs slide , invincible , safe on block , leads to tons of damage

 

[Doombawkz]

No you can't act in mid air once you have swung (aside from canceling) so it is part of the recovery.

I already said I didn't feel like arguing about it, so I'll say just don't worry about it.
Namely because theres a lot of split hairs that could be brought about, and its too troublesome to poke around what-ifs.

 

[Doombawkz]

Apart from MB lighting charge all teleports can be punished without meter on a read , in my opinion the best wake-up move is KFs slide , invincible , safe on block , leads to tons of damage

Kf slide can be armored through.
Every move can be punished "on a read", but when characters have a 75% chance of not being punished and you losing positioning, that's called a good wake-up.
Barring Shazam who has like a... 50% chance? Sometimes a 0% if the player knows what to do about it.

But its still invincible an a lot of characters can't do much about it.

 

[M2Dave]

Lightning Charge isn't one of the best wake-ups, in fact I'd rank it next to... Phase Charge from MMH.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

How is a single-hitting special move that has 23 frames of comparable to one that hits twice and has 11 frames of start up?

 

[trustinme]

Does anyone else notice that Deathstroke's neutral pose is EXACTLY like Sektor's?

yes but unfortunetly he can't fire a rocket out of his arse like sektor can.

 

[Doombawkz]

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

How is a single-hitting special move that has 23 frames of comparable to one that hits twice and has 11 frames of start up?

For one, unless you are a big body that 2-hitting move will whiff and be about as unsafe.
For second, you can armor through it as long as you aren't trying to do it as the move is coming out. As in as long as you are doing it somewhat meaty, it'll be stopped.
Third is it costs meter, if it manages to hit at all. MB lightning charge isn't a wake-up. Lightning charge is, and its not that hard to beat for a surprising amount of the cast.

Even Bane, which flash is his worst MU by far, has answers to it.

That's not to mention how useless it is when you corner the flash because you can mess with it for pretty much no cost on most of the cast.

 

[haketh]

The sheer levels of misunderstanding of basic FG mechanics on here astounds me sometimes.

 

[Qwark28]

For one, unless you are a big body that 2-hitting move will whiff and be about as unsafe.
For second, you can armor through it as long as you aren't trying to do it as the move is coming out. As in as long as you are doing it somewhat meaty, it'll be stopped.
Third is it costs meter, if it manages to hit at all. MB lightning charge isn't a wake-up. Lightning charge is, and its not that hard to beat for a surprising amount of the cast.

Even Bane, which flash is his worst MU by far, has answers to it.

That's not to mention how useless it is when you corner the flash because you can mess with it for pretty much no cost on most of the cast.

People still don't get it... Just the fact that you've stopped to bait the lightning charge means it has served it's purpose.

 

[Big Pampering]

I am sorry, but you are clueless. Did you even watch yesterday's matches? Max crushed Slips's wake ups.



In your matches versus King, you always hit j.3 fairly high.

Yeah so what... isn't it still one of the best.

 

[Doombawkz]

People still don't get it... Just the fact that you've stopped to bait the lightning charge means it has served it's purpose.

Not really because not every character needs to stop and wait. The few that do don't have to worry because Flash is unsafe regardless.
I wanna say maybe 25% of the cast actually needs to respect the charge. the other 75% have ways around or through it, or just outfootsie flash to the point where they can afford to bait it.

Hell, for most of the cast the only wake-up that actually matters is his 6 frame upper.

To be completely honest, if the characters have any reason to pressure Flash on WU as it is and not simply zone him (being about 6 cast members, give or take 2) I wanna say most if not all of them have options to work through lightning charge.

 

[Axel_Redd]

Well-said.

@FOREVER KING

J.3 to b+2 is not a frame trap. You can low poke in between j.3 and b+2.

not if you get the j3 at a low point tho...isn't it like plus 10?

 

[OG Mannimal]

link to slips vs king?

Starts at 3:30:30
http://www.twitch.tv/gallopingghostarcade/b/501356917

 

[Axel_Redd]

Wait...how does meterburn b3 beat DS wakeups? arent they all multihitting? and invincible?

 

[Doombawkz]

Wait...how does meterburn b3 beat DS wakeups? arent they all multihitting? and invincible?

Depends on the Mb b.3, but for the most part you'd be correct.

 

[Axel_Redd]

Depends on the Mb b.3, but for the most part you'd be correct.

well which b3 could beat it?

 

[Doombawkz]

well which b3 could beat it?

Not entirely sure, I know Bane's DP does a sort of parry thing where it sorts through so I could imagine Kf's f.3 might beat it on account of being about the same speed.
Otherwise, no clue. Maybe catwoman because of how low she gets?

 

[Madog32]

Not entirely sure, I know Bane's DP does a sort of parry thing where it sorts through so I could imagine Kf's f.3 might beat it on account of being about the same speed.
Otherwise, no clue. Maybe catwoman because of how low she gets?

KF F3 will beat it if its early enough. But if you're just a frame or 2 too late, he will beat her.

 

[Doombawkz]

KF F3 will beat it if its early enough. But if you're just a frame or 2 too late, he will beat her.

KF usually does resets anyways so its kinda in the air imo

 

[Madog32]

KF usually does resets anyways so its kinda in the air imo

yup

 

[RYX]

yes he is, and I'm a stupid for saying he wasn't before

 

[ryublaze]

btw that DS play was pretty awesome. I learn something new everytime.